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KenH
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Not a single Democrat has "marketed" anything to try to convince me to vote for Jo Jorgensen. It's the opposite on Twitter as the Biden supporters are making the same fallacious argument you make, just from the other side of the Duopoly.
Why can't the Libertarians get a good candidate?
Ken, can honestly say that Democrats are not thrilled about your stance? You're doing what they want every conservative Christians to do.
KenH
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Well, since I am a libertarian Christian and not a conservative Christian, I guess I am not their target audience.
Trump will win Arkansas easily(probably at least 15% margin) so there is really no practical reason for you to be fretting over my vote. And don’t give me this, “What if everyone did it”, as you know as well as I do that won’t happen. I mean, the LP is simply trying to get Jorgensen 3% of the vote to get the LP permanent ballot status in Arkansas for 2022, and I doubt the LP will achieve that goal, but the LP is trying.
I have to say, I am surprised at the vehemence of your argument. Those not voting for President Trump in the Faith are all doing it out of conscience (As far as I have ever been led to believe). Doing things against your conscience is sin. KenH would likely sin if he took your advice. He should act according to his knowledge, faith, and conscience.
Okay, but what's wrong with making arguments to inform the conscience?
True, but I'm just pointing out that KenH has a valid reason. Again, I found your vehemence he was doing wrong A bit shocking. That's why I spoke up.
Well, what exactly are you saying? That if you voted in a swing state you'd vote for Trump?
The Left is likely not concerned about your vote per se, but your argument to the Christian community. Yes, indeed, they want you to influence as many as possible.
Says who? I don't think the reasoning is valid. If did I wouldn't be making this case. And yes, I'm vehement. I think the Church has dropped the ball on politics. I thought it was a non-issue for years. No longer, as we witness what we've reaped.
I guess that depends on the church you're in. When I was an unbeliever and moderate Baptist the church I went to was Southern Baptist and was trying to fight the culture war. Lots of social issues sermons against gay marriage, abortion, and more. Lots of fliers talking politics in the lobby around elections.
However, I was a moderate Baptist surrounded by slightly more conservative people that thought of me as a Brethren in their church. That church had little outreach to the lost and the pastors main evangelistic push was for prayer walking. Just walking around neighborhoods praying people got saved.
The Kingdom meant little to the peoplle in that church compared to football and the culture war, literally.
That experience colors my perspective. My current church is Independent Fundamental Baptist, and grounds us in the Word with three sermons a week interpreting the bible and a day for small groups. We are not explained who to vote for, but everyone knows it's popular to talk in private about it. The pastor mentions he loves to talk politics in private in the sermons.
We are given the Word and told to be faithful to Jesus Christ and to share the Faith with people we know. My current church concentrates on the Kingdom and leaves politics to our biblically based judgment on top of praying for our government officials at local, state, and federal often.
You should read the Libertarian platform. They are very liberal on social issues. They don't even believe that there are two genders.
Scott Downey
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Jorgenson's platform is definitely not Socialist Democrat, and leans conservative as opposed to the extremeness of the socialist progressives (Biden), so the votes for that person more likely to be siphoned from and weaken Trump's vote tally. Meaning a vote for Jorgenson favors Biden. That's my feeling.
I had not even heard of her, so not likely many others know anything either.
Libertarians favor polygamy and legalization of narcotics and prostitution. They oppose the death penalty and they oppose a constitutional amendment protecting the life of the unborn child. They overlap with Biden to a large extent. Joe & Jo.
These Libertarian arguments are just ignorant on this day when they have no Ron Paul to trot out. Instead we have a real choice between Trump/America & the dem Biden/NWO. The dems have brazenly stated their plan to add two democrat entrenched new states, which gives them the senate from now on, pack the SC, & are currently sending out all the people who are fleeing their failed states to spread their leftist bile to new areas of the country, leaving behind the spoils to be picked up cheaply by the forces behind this plandemic. This plan has been in the works for quite some time & is now rolling, & Ken wants to waste my time talking about how his vote doesn’t affect this?! I don’t have the time or the patience. SMH. Meh.
Ken, you say Trump is immoral and then you ignore the immoral platform of your Libertarian Party. Should Christians gamble, Ken?
Scott Downey
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Biden is definitely thoroughly immoral and antichrist. Yet he proclaims his catholic faith, but in what? I would say a false christ , and the apostles and Christ warns us about false christs to come who deceive many people, things get worse and worse. The Catholic bishops say he is not in good standing with his own church
1 John 2:18
Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour.
So far only the Republican party has the better moral viewpoints.
KenH
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There is no “should” to it. It is a choice. No one should be compelled to gamble, including in the stock market.
Just like the use of alcoholic beverages, use moderation. I am a stock market investor and small time horseplayer myself.
Scott Downey
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The Lord notes the treacherous of faith (you might call them antichrists or false brethren today) versus those who are 'more righteous' yet still have serious issues. (those He will show mercy)
Jeremiah 3:10-12
New King James Version
10 And yet for all this her treacherous sister Judah has not turned to Me with her whole heart, but in pretense,” says the Lord.
11 Then the Lord said to me, “Backsliding Israel has shown herself more righteous than treacherous Judah.
12 Go and proclaim these words toward the north, and say:
‘Return, backsliding Israel,’ says the Lord;
‘I will not cause My anger to fall on you.
For I am merciful,’ says the Lord;
‘I will not remain angry forever.
Jeremiah 3:10-12
New King James Version
10 And yet for all this her treacherous sister Judah has not turned to Me with her whole heart, but in pretense,” says the Lord.
11 Then the Lord said to me, “Backsliding Israel has shown herself more righteous than treacherous Judah.
12 Go and proclaim these words toward the north, and say:
‘Return, backsliding Israel,’ says the Lord;
‘I will not cause My anger to fall on you.
For I am merciful,’ says the Lord;
‘I will not remain angry forever.