Preterism and Partial Preterism

[Psalty]

You don’t get to play fast and loose with the word of God my friend. I showed you several places, and there are even more, that shows every time Jesus said “this generation” He meant that first century generation, not a two, three, four millennia later generation. That is apocalyptic language that is used throughout the OT when God’s judgment came upon a particular nation.

Wail, for the day of the LORD is near!
It will come as destruction from the Almighty.
Therefore all hands will fall limp,
And every man’s heart will melt.
They will be terrified,
Pains and anguish will take hold of them;
They will writhe like a woman in labor,
They will look at one another in astonishment,
Their faces aflame.
Behold, the day of the LORD is coming,
Cruel, with fury and burning anger,
To make the land a desolation;
And He will exterminate its sinners from it.
For the stars of heaven and their constellations
Will not flash forth their light;
The sun will be dark when it rises
And the moon will not shed its light.
Thus I will punish the world for its evil
And the wicked for their iniquity;
I will also put an end to the arrogance of the proud
And abase the haughtiness of the ruthless.
I will make mortal man scarcer than pure gold
And mankind than the gold of Ophir.
Therefore I will make the heavens tremble,
And the earth will be shaken from its place
At the fury of the LORD of hosts
In the day of His burning anger.
And it will be that like a hunted gazelle,
Or like sheep with none to gather them,
They will each turn to his own people,
And each one flee to his own land.
Anyone who is found will be thrust through,
And anyone who is captured will fall by the sword.
Their little ones also will be dashed to pieces
Before their eyes;
Their houses will be plundered
And their wives ravished.[Isaiah 13:6-16]

Men’s hearts did not literally melt. The stars and constellations did not literally go dark, neither did the sun. The heavens did not literally tremble, neither was the earth literally shaken from its place. These sayings show the severity of punishment coming upon them, but they are not to be taken literally.

I am 80% in the Historic Premillenial camp and 20% in the Partial Preterist camp.

I dont think that it is wrong to believe that some things that Jesus says are talking about AD 70, but I also dont think that means that every end times distinction needs to be an AD 70 completion.

For instance, 2 Thess 1

For after all it is only just for God to repay with affliction those who afflict you, and to give relief to you who are afflicted and to us as well when the Lord Jesus will be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in flaming fire, dealing out retribution to those who do not know God and to those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, when He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day, and to be marveled at among all who have believed⁠—for our testimony to you was believed.
— 2 Thessalonians 1:6-10

I don’t believe you can say that this is the AD 70 destruction of the temple.
And I do believe that this lines up well with Revelation 19 and the return of Christ. I do not believe that the return of Christ in Revelation 19 can only be a symbolic representation of the ”going forth of the word”.

I’m sure more could be said on this, but I dont think that Premillenial position has to disagree with you on the Sun darkening and the moon turning to blood… I would argue that Peter used the same language from Joel to describe Pentecost in Acts 2.

But just because the language is figurative, it ALSO doesnt mean that it’s NOT world-wide destruction and judgment! It certainly could be, and he is just using catastrophic euphemisms to explain it.

 

[Oseas3]

So even though Jesus is talking to the disciples and He says they won’t finish going through Israel, but will be persecuted by kings and governors, you think that Matthew 10 is actually talking about the final tribulation period? Am I understanding you correctly?

No, Matthew 10->(60/65 AD) is not talking SPECIFICALLY about the final tribulation, but FIRST about the happenings and events of the period immediately after His resurrection and ascension until the destruction of Israel and the Temple, the den of thieves, in year AD 70. And from then, the Church of the Lord would be persecuted until the END, until the great tribulation. What will be the cause of the great tribulation?

You seem to indicate that Matthew 10 refers to the book of Acts, which I could see, but then that does not connect with you quoting Luke 21 about either Tribulation Timing. Luke 21 seems to clearly indicate talking about AD 70 with Jerusalem surrounded by the Armies of Rome:

As I said above, Matthew 10->(60/65 AD) refers FIRST to the persecution against the Church of the Lord, which lasted until 70AD. By the way, the apostate Church of Rome would be transformed into the cradle of Antichrist->Romans 1:18-28->(57AD), take a look, combined with 1John 2:18-19->(85/90 AD). And Luke 21->(60/65 AD) refers to the same happenings of Matthew 10 as a whole, and the Lord JESUS extended the persecutions until the fullness of the Gentiles in 21:v.24, that is until the current time. -> The last week, week 70th Daniel 9:27 will fulfill LITERALLY from now on. Be prepared or else get ready.

So the question remains, how do you take Matthew 10?
Again, according to you quoting Acts, it would seem that the Disciples went through the cities of Israel, so in what sense did the Son of Man come in the book of Acts?

In fact, what makes no sense is what you just wrote above. The theory or interpretation, saying JESUS came in AD 70, it is a DEMONIC interpretation, it's tares.->1Timothy 4:1-2.
Peter Apostle left very clear to a large number of people, saying: Acts 3:13-24, as follow:

13 The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go.
14 But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you;
15 And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.

16 And his name through faith in his name hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know: yea, the faith which is by him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.

17 And now, brethren, I wot that through ignorance ye did it, as did also your rulers.
18 But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.
19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.
20 And He shall send JESUS Christ, which before was preached unto you:
21 Whom the heaven must receive(must retain) until the times of restitution of all things, which GOD hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your GOD raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; Him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever He shall say unto you.

23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.

24 Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.

SEE POST ABOVE #35

 

[Psalty]

No, Matthew 10->(60/65 AD) is not talking SPECIFICALLY about the final tribulation, but FIRST about the happenings and events of the period immediately after His resurrection and ascension until the destruction of Israel and the Temple, the den of thieves, in year AD 70. And from then, the Church of the Lord would be persecuted until the END, until the great tribulation. What will be the cause of the great tribulation?

As I said above, Matthew 10->(60/65 AD) refers FIRST to the persecution against the Church of the Lord, which lasted until 70AD. By the way, the apostate Church of Rome would be transformed into the cradle of Antichrist->Romans 1:18-28->(57AD), take a look, combined with 1John 2:18-19->(85/90 AD). And Luke 21->(60/65 AD) refers to the same happenings of Matthew 10 as a whole, and the Lord JESUS extended the persecutions until the fullness of the Gentiles in 21:v.24, that is until the current time. -> The last week, week 70th Daniel 9:27 will fulfill LITERALLY from now on. Be prepared or else get ready.

In fact, what makes no sense is what you just wrote above. The theory or interpretation, saying JESUS came in AD 70, it is a DEMONIC interpretation, it's tares.->1Timothy 4:1-2.
Peter Apostle left very clear to a large number of people, saying: Acts 3:13-24, as follow:

13 The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go.
14 But ye denied the Holy One and the Just, and desired a murderer to be granted unto you;
15 And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.

16 And his name through faith in his name hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know: yea, the faith which is by him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.

17 And now, brethren, I wot that through ignorance ye did it, as did also your rulers.
18 But those things, which God before had shewed by the mouth of all his prophets, that Christ should suffer, he hath so fulfilled.
19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.
20 And He shall send JESUS Christ, which before was preached unto you:
21 Whom the heaven must receive(must retain) until the times of restitution of all things, which GOD hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your GOD raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; Him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever He shall say unto you.

23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.

24 Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.

SEE POST ABOVE #35

Your paragraph 1 I dont disagree with. The question is if that is the timing, how Is Jesus coming THEN, bc He says They wont finish before He comes? Or do you think there is a massive gap and in the same verse He is also talking about the second coming of Christ?

“But whenever they persecute you in one city, flee to the next; for truly I say to you, you will not finish going through the cities of Israel until the Son of Man comes.
— Matthew 10:23