Thinkingstuff said:
Thank You!! At least I know somebody is following my argument.:thumbs:
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PreTrib Rapture Affeccianados -- Good Sermon
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Thank You!! At least I know somebody is following my argument.:thumbs:
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Tell us, what else was Paul wrong about?
Perhaps you should read more:
John Gill
till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom; which is not to be understood of his personal coming in his kingdom in the last day, when he will judge quick and dead; for it cannot be thought, that any then present should live to that time, but all tasted of death long before, as they have done; for the story of John's being alive, and to live till then, is fabulous, and grounded on a mistake which John himself has rectified at the close of his Gospel: nor of the glorious transfiguration of Christ, the account of which immediately follows; when he was seen by Peter, James, and John, persons now present; for that, at most, was but an emblem and a pledge of his future glory: rather, of the appearance of his kingdom, in greater glory and power, upon his resurrection from the dead, and his ascension to heaven; when the Spirit was poured down in an extraordinary manner, and the Gospel was preached all over the world; was confirmed by signs and wonders, and made effectual to the conversion and salvation of many souls; which many then present lived to see, and were concerned in: though it seems chiefly to have regard to his coming, to show his regal power and authority in the destruction of the Jews; when those his enemies that would not he should reign over them, were ordered to be brought and slain before him; and this the Apostle John, for one, lived to be a witness of.
Albert Barnes
Son of man coming in his kingdom - Mark and Luke have explained this: Mar_9:1, “Until they have seen the kingdom of God come with power;” Luk_9:27, “Till they see the kingdom of God.” The meaning evidently is, “till they shall see my kingdom,” i. e., my church, now small, feeble, and despised, greatly enlarged, established, and spreading with great rapidity and extent. All this was accomplished. All these apostles, except Judas, lived to see the wonders of the day of Pentecost; some of them, John particularly, saw the Jewish nation scattered, the temple destroyed, the gospel established in Asia, Rome, Greece, and in a large part of the known world.
Can you point me anywhere that teaches what you believe?
Just as I thought. Literalism goes out the window when time-statements ae in consideration.
Tell us, what else was Paul wrong about?
Perhaps you should read more:
John Gill
till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom; which is not to be understood of his personal coming in his kingdom in the last day, when he will judge quick and dead; for it cannot be thought, that any then present should live to that time, but all tasted of death long before, as they have done; for the story of John's being alive, and to live till then, is fabulous, and grounded on a mistake which John himself has rectified at the close of his Gospel: nor of the glorious transfiguration of Christ, the account of which immediately follows; when he was seen by Peter, James, and John, persons now present; for that, at most, was but an emblem and a pledge of his future glory: rather, of the appearance of his kingdom, in greater glory and power, upon his resurrection from the dead, and his ascension to heaven; when the Spirit was poured down in an extraordinary manner, and the Gospel was preached all over the world; was confirmed by signs and wonders, and made effectual to the conversion and salvation of many souls; which many then present lived to see, and were concerned in: though it seems chiefly to have regard to his coming, to show his regal power and authority in the destruction of the Jews; when those his enemies that would not he should reign over them, were ordered to be brought and slain before him; and this the Apostle John, for one, lived to be a witness of.
Albert Barnes
Son of man coming in his kingdom - Mark and Luke have explained this: Mar_9:1, “Until they have seen the kingdom of God come with power;” Luk_9:27, “Till they see the kingdom of God.” The meaning evidently is, “till they shall see my kingdom,” i. e., my church, now small, feeble, and despised, greatly enlarged, established, and spreading with great rapidity and extent. All this was accomplished. All these apostles, except Judas, lived to see the wonders of the day of Pentecost; some of them, John particularly, saw the Jewish nation scattered, the temple destroyed, the gospel established in Asia, Rome, Greece, and in a large part of the known world.
Can you point me anywhere that teaches what you believe?
Just as I thought. Literalism goes out the window when time-statements ae in consideration.
Thinkingstuff
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Amy.G said:
I was pointing out the falacy of this argument
None. The point was not that any would die before witnessing the kingdom in glory (which, even when Grasshopper's alleged kingdom came, wasn't in glory). The point was that, though all would be alive, only "some" (P, J, & J)would see the transfiguration.Thinkingstuff said:
There is an interesting reason why only those 3 witnessed it, IMO. They prefigured 3 types that would be on the earth at the tribulation and 2nd coming. Peter is a type of the unbelieving church -- John a type of the raptured away church -- and James a type of the trib convert who is martyred.* So in a way, "shall not taste death" alludes also to the fact that these 3 types will witness the end times.
skypair
*There's much more confirmation of this than I am willing to go into if this doesn't at least make some kind of shallow sense to you.
skypair said:
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Grasshopper said:
I believe both. Both your 'the Bible' and the Bible Sky used are the the Written Word of God preserved for us by Divine Providence: inerrant with Christ. BTW, can you tell me which KJV you were using?
Matthew 16:28 (KJV1611 Edition):
Uerely I say vnto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Sonne of man comming in his Kingdome.
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