Pride

[Don]

Out of curiosity, having skimmed the pages of this thread: Are we discussing what level of self-flagellating monk-hood we should strive to attain?

 

[freeatlast]

I have shown that NOT EVERY PASSAGE in scripture shows pride in a sinful way. (See also the 1 & 2 Corinthians verses cited above).

As Hank D has stated, there is also a language difference here that is not being taken into account.

In Psalm 47:4 looks like you have found some poor translation that has used the word pride which is totally improper. In that context it means exaltation, majesty so no all pride is still sin according to scripture.

 

[HankD]

In Psalm 47:4 looks like you have found some poor translation that has used the word pride which is totally improper. In that context it means exaltation, majesty so no all pride is still sin according to scripture.

Actually FAL the English word "pride" in Psalm 47:4 derives from the same Hebrew word as in the following passage:

NIV Psalm 47:4 He chose our inheritance for us, the pride of Jacob, whom he loved. Selah​

KJV Job 35:12 There they cry, but none giveth answer, because of the pride of evil men.​

In each passage the Hebrew word is the same: ga'own

TWOT Lexicon #299e: ga'own Proud, pride, majesty ,exaltation.
Comment in the Lexicon: The word "pride-ga'own" can be used positively or negatively in the OT.

So depending upon the inner motivation of the heart ga'own (pride) in the scriptures can be good or evil.


HankD

 

[12strings]

Actually FAL the English word "pride" in Psalm 47:4 derives from the same Hebrew word as in the following passage:

NIV Psalm 47:4 He chose our inheritance for us, the pride of Jacob, whom he loved. Selah​

KJV Job 35:12 There they cry, but none giveth answer, because of the pride of evil men.​

In each passage the Hebrew word is the same: ga'own

TWOT Lexicon #299e: ga'own Proud, pride, majesty ,exaltation.
Comment in the Lexicon: The word "pride-ga'own" can be used positively or negatively in the OT.

So depending upon the inner motivation of the heart ga'own (pride) in the scriptures can be good or evil.

HankD

Thank you...It's nice to have smart people around. :smilewinkgrin:

 

[HankD]

Thank you...It's nice to have smart people around.

Thanks.

FAL is smart.
Sometimes he (like all of us) forgets to do his homework or doesn't realize things are not always as simple as they seem.

He has called a lot of important things to our attention.

HankD

 

[Andy_S]

1. I'm asking for clarification on the satisfaction question...Are you saying we can feel satisfied in our work, but we should not use the word "pride" to describe it?

I also have struggled with this issue. There seem to be some examples in scripture of people feeling satisfied with their work and achievements, but for me, the boundaries with pride are often blurred. I often feel that I have had some success in something, but I do wonder if this is, again, pride!

 

[12strings]

Thanks.

FAL is smart.
Sometimes he (like all of us) forgets to do his homework or doesn't realize things are not always as simple as they seem.

He has called a lot of important things to our attention.

HankD

OHHH!!! Apoligies to FAL...It was not my intent to say he was not smart, simply that you (Hankd) are smarter than me for finding the Hebrew word meaning that I failed to find.

 

[HankD]

OHHH!!! Apoligies to FAL...It was not my intent to say he was not smart, simply that you (Hankd) are smarter than me for finding the Hebrew word meaning that I failed to find.

OOPS, my bad, I'm sorry.

HankD