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Private prayer language
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You can slobber out a tub of gibberish and think it's a prayer language, but nothing comes of it. The Holy Spirit, who is himself God, does not need our flapping wet tongues to accomplish anything. Reading a Bible translation in a language we don't know, pronouncing the words as best we can, would be better. But it wouldn't help us to feel we're all mystical.
If you are not a cessationist...why the IF the gift of tongues is still in operations?As I said, I am not a cessationist, but it is clear that if the gift of tongues is still in operation today, it is exceedingly rare, as the mission field proves. And this belief and teaching of a private prayer language in distinction from the gift of tongues is just so much bunk because the scriptures do not teach it.
An opinion based on what scripture?You can slobber out a tub of gibberish and think it's a prayer language, but nothing comes of it. The Holy Spirit, who is himself God, does not need our flapping wet tongues to accomplish anything. Reading a Bible translation in a language we don't know, pronouncing the words as best we can, would be better. But it wouldn't help us to feel we're all mystical.
Can you show me in Acts 2, 8,10,19 where it was used to evangalize?
You got to be kidding me.
There's not a single example in the entire New Testament of anyone speaking in tongues in order to communicate with foreigners either!
so the experience that happened at pentacost does not count?
the Jews came in from many different regions/areas, heard Apsotles speaking in their native dialect/tongues, they were foreigners, correct?
If you are not a cessationist...why the IF the gift of tongues is still in operations?
Do you have the gift due to being Baptized in the HS?
Do you use it to give a revaltion from god to your local church?
Do you speak it to give a witness to starngers who speak nio English?
what do you use it for?
Yes, they were real and actual languages as the Greek tells us they were.Do we see that in scriptures? Does it say in Acts 10,19 what language was spoken? Do we see in scriptures where they were interpreted in those chapters?
What languages they were we are not told. The Bible is not required to tell us everything we want to know, only everything God wants us to know.
The languages spoken were a sign for the Jews. (1Cor.14:21).
In all three cases in the Book of Acts, where languages were spoken) there were Jews present. It is evident from Acts two that they were actual languages spoken--at least 13 different languages were spoken. That is why it is called the "gift of languages."
"How hear we every man in the language in which we were born."
An opinion based on what scripture?
So also you, unless you utter by the tongue speech that is clear, how will it be known what is spoken? For you will be speaking into the air. There are, perhaps, a great many kinds of languages in the world, and no kind is without meaning. If then I do not know the meaning of thelanguage, I will be to the one who speaks a barbarian, and the one who speaks will be a barbarian to me. [I Corinthians 14:9-11].
There were at least 13 different FOREIGN nations represented on the Day of Pentecost.There's not a single example in the entire New Testament of anyone speaking in tongues in order to communicate with foreigners either!
There were 3,000 saved that day.
There were at least 13 different actual languages spoken on that day?
How many kinds of gibberish can you speak? :laugh:
So also you, unless you utter by the tongue speech that is clear, how will it be known what is spoken? For you will be speaking into the air. There are, perhaps, a great many kinds of languages in the world, and no kind is without meaning. If then I do not know the meaning of thelanguage, I will be to the one who speaks a barbarian, and the one who speaks will be a barbarian to me. [I Corinthians 14:9-11].
Notice the guidelines listed were for PUBLIC use of the gift on tongues, that God would speak forth through that to the local assembly, NOT a personal prayer tongue!
So you can show me where it was tongues and not Peter or Paul preaching or teaching?You got to be kidding me.
THey were not communicating to foreigners ! They were speaking the wonderful works of God.so the experience that happened at pentacost does not count?
the Jews came in from many different regions/areas, heard Apsotles speaking in their native dialect/tongues, they were foreigners, correct?
Peter was the one that stood up and preached!
This thread is not about me and my experience...it is about the tongues as a prayer language! Stick to the scriptures!Do you have the gift due to being Baptized in the HS?
Do you use it to give a revaltion from god to your local church?
Do you speak it to give a witness to starngers who speak nio English?
what do you use it for?
So you can show me where it was tongues and not Peter or Paul preaching or teaching?
This is the problem with Charismatics. They only have their agenda and no biblical interpretive skills. They just do not know their bible at all.
You are denying the Word of God.THey were not communicating to foreigners ! They were speaking the wonderful works of God.
Peter was the one that stood up and preached!
They spoke "the wonderful works of God" in at least 13 different languages to at least 13 different ethnic groups or foreigners. That is communication.
They said: How hear we every man in our own tongue or language. Preaching is communication. You sit. The preacher communicates the Word of God to even though you may not say anything. They communicated the wonderful works of God in different languages. The miracle was in them speaking different languages--the gift of languages.
I have never said otherwise!Yes, they were real and actual languages as the Greek tells us they were.
THat was my point!What languages they were we are not told.
So do not add to what he does not say!The Bible is not required to tell us everything we want to know, only everything God wants us to know.
It was a sign for unbelievers!The languages spoken were a sign for the Jews. (1Cor.14:21).
It was a sign to unbelievers!In all three cases in the Book of Acts, where languages were spoken) there were Jews present. It is evident from Acts two that they were actual languages spoken--at least 13 different languages were spoken. That is why it is called the "gift of languages."
"How hear we every man in the language in which we were born."
You stick to the scriptures.This thread is not about me and my experience...it is about the tongues as a prayer language! Stick to the scriptures!
There are no scriptures that speak of a private prayer language. None whatsoever. The only thing on this subject that any of us can refer to is your experience and gibberish. It is not found in the Bible anywhere. How do you expect us to defend something that is not in the Bible? Ridiculous!
So, yes this thread is about your unbiblical experiences which are not in the Bible.
If you want to prove otherwise tell what languages you pray in: Ukrainian, Uzbek, Chinese, or just what language is it, and how many?
I do not have a problem with that scripture! I agree! We should not speak in tongues in the assembly without an interpretation! It does not benefit the listeners!So also you, unless you utter by the tongue speech that is clear, how will it be known what is spoken? For you will be speaking into the air. There are, perhaps, a great many kinds of languages in the world, and no kind is without meaning. If then I do not know the meaning of thelanguage, I will be to the one who speaks a barbarian, and the one who speaks will be a barbarian to me. [I Corinthians 14:9-11].
The salvation was through the preaching of the Word by Peter! Not tongues!There were at least 13 different FOREIGN nations represented on the Day of Pentecost.
There were 3,000 saved that day.
There were at least 13 different actual languages spoken on that day?
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