Pro-Life Leaders Denounce Murder of Abortion Doctor George Tiller

[Revmitchell]

Leaders of the anti-abortion movement gathered in front of the Supreme Court Monday morning to denounce the murder of abortion doctor George Tiller, who was gunned down Sunday while attending church in Wichita, Kan.

The pro-life activists also used the platform to blast President Obama's abortion policies and strongly question the beliefs of his Supreme Court nominee, Sonia Sotomayor.

"It is immoral and it is unchristian," Rev. Rob Schenck of the National Clergy Council said of Tiller's murder. He said the reaction to it "becomes a greater setback to the pro-life movement than anything the so-called pro-choice movement could do."

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I posted this since the other article was posted and the pro-lifers were falsely accused of committing the murder.

 

[BigBossman]

I kind of figured this is what would happen. That's kind of what happened with Dr. Paul Hill in 1993.

As I've said before, I don't agree with how the justice was carried out. Number 1: If I were to do such a thing, I would NEVER do that in God's house. A church is supposed to be a sactuary.

Number 2: I do believe that George Tiller had it coming sooner or later. From what the media has said, he has been attcked before numerous times. It shouldn't have been a surprise to him.

Number 3: While I don't like murder, while I believe that George Tiller deserved what he got, I would have rather God struck him with a bolt of lightning, than for a pro-lifer to kill him. All that does is make those who are pro-life look bad.

Number 4: Make no mistake, even though I believe Dr. Tiller got what he deserved, I sympathize with his family. They are not the villans in this incident.

 

[Marcia]

I am sorry this happened. First, it was wrong and it caused a loss for Tiller's family and friends.

Secondly, this will cast yet another pall on the prolife voices out there. It makes it easier to cast prolife issues and voices in a bad light.

I hope many well-known Christians and pastors denounce this killing and that the press reports it.

 

[OldRegular]

Tiller has apparently, according to Bill O'Reilly, slaughtered about 60,000 babies. However one feels about his murder he will never slaughter another baby.

 

[Baptist in Richmond]

Tiller has apparently, according to Bill O'Reilly, slaughtered about 60,000 babies. However one feels about his murder he will never slaughter another baby.

Did you really just cite Bill O'Reilly as a source???
:laugh:

Well, let's do the math:
There are 365 days in a year, so there are 3,650 days in a decade. Assuming that Tiller worked every single day of those 10 years, he would have had to perform almost 16.5 abortions daily. If you were to use 20 years, that would be roughly 8 abortions daily.

Did Bill O'Reilly cite a source when he threw out that number?

Regardless of where you stand on this issue, this was a tragedy, and a horrible thing. Do some of you really believe that this was "justice," especially when I hear so many talk about the "rule of law" on the board?

Don't forget: it's never right to do wrong to do right. That applies here as well. If anyone is truly happy that this happened to Tiller, or thinks that this is somehow justice, I would exhort you to really think and pray about where you are spiritually........

Regards,
BiR

 

[Alcott]

Don't forget: it's never right to do wrong to do right. That applies here as well.

If deliberately killing someone is wrong, as you indicate, then there is no such thing as a justifiable war, or any such thing as killing in defense of self or loved ones.

If anyone is truly happy that this happened to Tiller, or thinks that this is somehow justice, I would exhort you to really think and pray about where you are spiritually........

Questioning members' salvation, are you?

 

[Baptist in Richmond]

If deliberately killing someone is wrong, as you indicate, then there is no such thing as a justifiable war, or any such thing as killing in defense of self or loved ones.

Again: it's never right to do wrong to do right. Not sure where you are going with this. Are you implying that what I wrote is somehow wrong? If so, then by all means enlighten us as to when it is appropriate to do wrong in order to do right.

Questioning members' salvation, are you?

Alcott, if you are going to respond to me, then please refrain from misrepresenting what I write.

Regards anyway,
BiR

 

[targus]

Well, let's do the math:
There are 365 days in a year, so there are 3,650 days in a decade. Assuming that Tiller worked every single day of those 10 years, he would have had to perform almost 16.5 abortions daily. If you were to use 20 years, that would be roughly 8 abortions daily.

Tiller has been about his gruesome work since 1973. So using your calculations that brings the number down to about 4.5

Considering that he most likely has a staff that it is not inconcievable that he could perform that many murders in a day.

I take that back. It is inconceiveable to me that any person could make their living killing the innocent unborn like that.

 

[Revmitchell]

There is no difference between the death of this man and the death of say Hitler. They are equal in every way.Both mass murderers and both needing to be stopped. This was not the way to handle it but his death is no loss.

 

[BigBossman]

Did you really just cite Bill O'Reilly as a source???
:laugh:

Well, let's do the math:
There are 365 days in a year, so there are 3,650 days in a decade. Assuming that Tiller worked every single day of those 10 years, he would have had to perform almost 16.5 abortions daily. If you were to use 20 years, that would be roughly 8 abortions daily.

Did Bill O'Reilly cite a source when he threw out that number?

So far I have found O'Reilly's information to be accurate. At least he has been more accurate than Keith Olberman. This was on his "Talking Points Memo".

Also according to what he stated, he said that Tiller had been in the abortion business for 35 years. If you break that down that is over 1700 babies killed a year, & about 5 babies killed each day.

 

[OldRegular]

Well, let's do the math:
There are 365 days in a year, so there are 3,650 days in a decade. Assuming that Tiller worked every single day of those 10 years, he would have had to perform almost 16.5 abortions daily. If you were to use 20 years, that would be roughly 8 abortions daily.

Killer Tiller performed abortions for 35 years? Now do your math.

 

[OldRegular]

Don't forget: it's never right to do wrong to do right. That applies here as well. If anyone is truly happy that this happened to Tiller, or thinks that this is somehow justice, I would exhort you to really think and pray about where you are spiritually........

You would do well to give that advice to all the pro abortionists on this Forum. That being said I would "exhort you to really think and pray about where you are spiritually........"

 

[OldRegular]

Regardless of where you stand on this issue, this was a tragedy, and a horrible thing. Do some of you really believe that this was "justice," especially when I hear so many talk about the "rule of law" on the board?

I don't think justice was done. Justice will be meted out by GOD to this person who slaughtered so many babies.

 

[Marcia]

This is a good article on Tiller. While not abhorring the terrible murders he committed of unborn babies, the article also points out what our response should be:

Tiller’s career was more horrifying than any horror movie ever produced, because there was nothing pretend about his bizarre and diabolical practices. On Sundays, George Tiller worshipped in his Lutheran Church where he served as usher. But on Monday through Friday, he chopped up children — and he did so in the name of Jesus. He even boasted about it. Because of Tiller, Wichita, Kansas became the destination of choice for women all over America to come and have Dr. Tiller take care of their “problem.” These are the facts.

And yet his death is tragic. It is not a tragedy that Tiller will never be a killer again. Will anyone argue that it is a tragedy that the name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ will never again be dishonored by this church-going Sweeney Todd of the medical profession?

The tragedy is two-fold: First, by breaking the law of God (murder) in order to advance the law of God (punishing a murderer), the shooter demonstrated that he was a lawless individual and that, whatever his motivations, his cause was unholy. He cannot expect the blessing of God on his efforts, but rather the contrary. God was certainly capable of shutting down George Tiller without private individuals breaking His law by taking matters into their own hands. The ends do not justify the means. Pragmatic responses to evil produces short term victories and long-term heartaches.

Second, Tiller’s executioner has played into the hands of the community of abortion apologists.......

....It means that we must embrace a 100% pro-life apologetic, rejecting all forms of abortion and refusing to embrace “ends justifies the means” reasoning. It means that we need to be serious about not voting for individuals who sanction the murder of even one child. It means that we need to embrace a life-ethic which is different from the world — we must love life, love children, and embrace them as God’s gift.

Moreover, we must view the cause of Christ as more important than the pro-life movement. This means that our duty to obey Christ and to honor His name is more important than defeating abortion in America, as badly as we may desire that outcome. <MORE>

(emphasis added)
Link
http://www.visionforumministries.org/issues/life/george_tiller_is_dead_for_whom.aspx

In the article, he makes this point (an excerpt from something he wrote when a previous abortionist was killed):

The problem here is that the biblical jurisdiction to execute rests only with the state. There is no provision in Scripture for vigilante justice

 

[Baptist in Richmond]

Wow: three consecutive posts.

Killer Tiller performed abortions for 35 years? Now do your math.

That would still be almost 1,714 abortions per year. If Tiller worked every single day that would still be roughly 4.69 per day. You didn't mention if Bill O'Reilly gave a source for his number, did he? That seems like an awfully high number.....

You would do well to give that advice to all the pro abortionists on this Forum. That being said I would "exhort you to really think and pray about where you are spiritually........"

There is a difference between pro-choice and pro-abortion. That being said, I don't know anyone who is actually pro-abortion. Has anyone on the pro-choice or pro-abortion side of the argument made the argument that the ends somehow justify the means?

I don't think justice was done. Justice will be meted out by GOD to this person who slaughtered so many babies.

On this point, you and I agree.

 

[Baptist in Richmond]

So far I have found O'Reilly's information to be accurate. At least he has been more accurate than Keith Olberman. This was on his "Talking Points Memo".

By any chance, would you (or Bill O'Reilly, for that matter) have a source for the number? I have found Bill to be less than accurate in the past on other issues.

Also according to what he stated, he said that Tiller had been in the abortion business for 35 years. If you break that down that is over 1700 babies killed a year, & about 5 babies killed each day.

Do you realize how much of a stretch that would be? This isn't exactly a simple procedure. That also assumes that Tiller worked all day every day for 35 years.

Regards,
BiR

 

[LadyEagle]

By any chance, would you (or Bill O'Reilly, for that matter) have a source for the number? I have found Bill to be less than accurate in the past on other issues.



Do you realize how much of a stretch that would be? This isn't exactly a simple procedure. That also assumes that Tiller worked all day every day for 35 years.

Regards,
BiR

Even if he did one a year for 35 years, that's 35 babies he slaughtered, 35 babies too many. :tear:

From a pro-abortion clinic:

How long does an abortion take? How long will I be there?
The D&C procedure for a first trimester patient (6 to 13.5 weeks LMP) takes approximately 5 to 7 minutes. The D&E procedure for a second trimester patient (14 to 24 weeks LMP) takes about 10 to 15 minutes. .

The normal time spent at our Center is 2 hours from your arrival to discharge for a pre-abortion visit or for a ssuction surrettage. For a D&E, expect to be there 3 hours as more time is needed for recovery before leaving.

For the medical abortion visit, the time is about 1 hour.

You're wrong, obviously, it is a rather simple procedure. There are techs who get everything, including the patient, ready for the abortionist "doctor" to come into the room and do the slaughter.

There is a difference between pro-choice and pro-abortion.

There is no difference. The only person who doesn't have a "choice" is the baby.

 

[OldRegular]

There is a difference between pro-choice and pro-abortion. That being said, I don't know anyone who is actually pro-abortion. Has anyone on the pro-choice or pro-abortion side of the argument made the argument that the ends somehow justify the means?

That there is a difference between pro-choice and pro-abortion is a myth created by those who believe it is acceptable to slaughter unborn children!!

Your president "bho" is pro slaughter of the unborn. While an Illinois state senator he voted against a bill that would require medical treatment for a child born alive after a "botched" abortion. He has promised to sign the so-called Freedom of Choice Act which would eliminate all restrictions on the slaughter of the unborn including the Ban on Partial Birth Abortions.

 

[Baptist in Richmond]

That there is a difference between pro-choice and pro-abortion is a myth created by those who believe it is acceptable to slaughter unborn children!!

You are wrong, OldRegular. Stop defining the beliefs of others by your own personal convictions.

Your president "bho" is pro slaughter of the unborn. While an Illinois state senator he voted against a bill that would require medical treatment for a child born alive after a "botched" abortion. He has promised to sign the so-called Freedom of Choice Act which would eliminate all restrictions on the slaughter of the unborn including the Ban on Partial Birth Abortions.

Is he not your President, OldRegular?

 

[Baptist in Richmond]

Hey LadyEagle,

Hope all is well tonight with you and yours.

By your own source, each one is about 3 hours. Multiplied by an average of 4 per day, that is 12 hours - and that number is assuming that Tiller worked every day of the year. That number is a little hard to believe, especially given the fact that Bill O'Reilly is the source of the number.

And I disagree: there IS a difference in supporting abortion vs. supporting a woman's right to choose.

Regards,
BiR