Nah dude, you're preaching Calvin. It's pretty plain that you are obsessed with this one. No one's mad or condemning you.:love2:
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Prominence of Calvinists in History
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Not sure what this has to do with anything.
Doesn’t change that his evangelistic ministry was done without a Calvinist influence.
Wasn’t trying to be exhaustive…just what I came up with off the top of my head.
The “caliber”? Really? Are we now trying to measure the greatness of men? Seems like a flawed and perhaps sinful endeavor.
It doesn't matter what it seems- it isn't.
I'm impressed with the list for sure.
Saddened that some would elevate non-calvinist like Finney (a proven heretic) and Lewis (doubtful he knew anything about biblical salvation) to a list THEY admire. Ugh.
But some calvinists are not so admirable, either.
The doctrinal truth is the Gospel and that distinguishes it from the man-centered arminian/semi-pelagian pseudo-theology.
(anyone saying that a person promoting calvinism is "preaching calvin" just demonstrates inability to read or reason)
Saddened that some would elevate non-calvinist like Finney (a proven heretic) and Lewis (doubtful he knew anything about biblical salvation) to a list THEY admire. Ugh.
But some calvinists are not so admirable, either.
The doctrinal truth is the Gospel and that distinguishes it from the man-centered arminian/semi-pelagian pseudo-theology.
(anyone saying that a person promoting calvinism is "preaching calvin" just demonstrates inability to read or reason)
"I am of JESUS!" the Corinthians said, indicating their spiritual superiority over all others.
Not much. Not much at all. And the list is not spurious. Prove such an accusation or don't make it. But I will go ahead and tell you that you cannot because you are wrong.
And I suppose you are bound to the posting of such retorts?
How about you prove the Billy Graham thing?
Also if you would analyze Lutheran soteriology and Calvinist soteriology, you would find a confusing inconsistency in Luther. Calvin makes much more sense. Also, Luther's sacramentalism is far more pronounced than Calvin's.
Moreover, do not tell me what I can and cannot post. You do not make that decision. You would do well to calm down a bit, as your postings are coming across as defensive and arrogant.
Alright, I will dig up my research o the Billy Graham thing if you will prove my list spurious- that is quite an accusation that anyone with any character would feel the need to back up.
I made my point. I questioned exactly two men on the list.
Robert Snow
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If anyone puts together a Calvin Study Bible, I know at least one person who will buy it! :laugh:
Steven2006
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Should Calvin even be considered a "great evangelist"?
Set aside what you think about any of his writings or beliefs for a moment and just examine his method of evangelism.
He certainly didn't spread the Gospel in the manner that Jesus and His disciples taught. Calvin's methods of dealing with those who didn't believe as he, disagreed with him and/or were to criticize him, was to punish, have imprisoned, or even have put to death. His methods actually remind me of the actions of many radical Islamics when you read about some of them.
Set aside what you think about any of his writings or beliefs for a moment and just examine his method of evangelism.
He certainly didn't spread the Gospel in the manner that Jesus and His disciples taught. Calvin's methods of dealing with those who didn't believe as he, disagreed with him and/or were to criticize him, was to punish, have imprisoned, or even have put to death. His methods actually remind me of the actions of many radical Islamics when you read about some of them.
Which point do you think they would disagree on?
This is spurious.
menageriekeeper
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Originally Posted by Steven2006
Should Calvin even be considered a "great evangelist"?
Set aside what you think about any of his writings or beliefs for a moment and just examine his method of evangelism.
He certainly didn't spread the Gospel in the manner that Jesus and His disciples taught. Calvin's methods of dealing with those who didn't believe as he, disagreed with him and/or were to criticize him, was to punish, have imprisoned, or even have put to death. His methods actually remind me of the actions of many radical Islamics when you read about some of them.
This is spurious.
Why is it spurious to compare the methods of Calvin to those described in scripture? Maybe because Calvin fell far short of:
1Co 13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
1Co 13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
1Co 13:3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
1Co 13:4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
1Co 13:5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
1Co 13:6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
1Co 13:7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
How can one not consider these things?
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Who mentioned Finney?
Couldn’t disagree more, but it’s not our place to judge the hearts of man.