Proof that Christians need to be overcomers to gain eternal life

[Osterloh]

How many times did you sin after that.
How many times did they have to be "cleansed away?"

You are obedient and maintain your obedience via John 1.
In John 1, it says that no man is sinless. If you claim to be you deceive yourself and the truth is not in you.
Read 1:8,10.

So, for every sin there must be repentance. For every sin there is loss of salvation before repentance. For every sin, you must be cleansed by the blood all over again.
Do you know that song: "You must be born again, and again, and again..."?

Its okay, its not a problem (for me).
1 John 1:7-2:1 is just another passage that you refuse to believe.
No problemo!

 

[Revmitchell]

 

[DHK]

Its okay, its not a problem (for me).
1 John 1:7-2:1 is just another passage that you refuse to believe.
No problemo!

I believe and therefore I am eternally secure. If you believe it you also believe in OSAS.
What if you have told a lie and did not realize it was a lie until you got home late at night.
What if you did the same thing two days later, but never made it home because you were in a car accident. Having not repented of the lie you would be in hell according to your theology, correct?
Either that or you believe in OSAS.

 

[annsni]

Who knows, ask God.
But haven't you read the passages about some people returning to repentance and some not to their destruction?

In Luke 13:3 and 5 where Jesus said we must repent did He mean once or more than once?
Careful this is deep.

Oh yes, OSASers believe in magic: one repentance and they're good to go forever.
Sorry, forgot.

My agenda is to find out more about dem famous Baptist people.

Why are you trying to be evasive? Why not just answer my question?

 

[Osterloh]

Why are you trying to be evasive? Why not just answer my question?

But haven't you read the passages about some people returning to repentance and some not to their destruction?
In Luke 13:3 and 5 where Jesus said we must repent, did He mean once or more than once?

I answered to the best of my ability ... Duz I must know everything?
Butski, If you insist ...

'Tis all about the attitude of the heart.
Be obedient to the Lord and indulge thyself in 1 John 1:7--2:1.
'Tis about sincere repentance.
Butski, do you know what sincere repentance is?
Sorry if your church doesn't teach that, but just t'ain't my fault.
As I said, I'ze doin' my bestest.

And, I'm learnin' about Baptists too!

 

[annsni]

But haven't you read the passages about some people returning to repentance and some not to their destruction?
In Luke 13:3 and 5 where Jesus said we must repent, did He mean once or more than once?

Was Jesus speaking to the saved or unsaved in Luke 13?

 

[Osterloh]

Was Jesus speaking to the saved or unsaved in Luke 13?

Unsaved ... bad example ... Are all important doctrines all found in one place?
Obviously not, and repetitive repentance is found elsewhere.
An obvious one is ...

Paul’s letter of chastisement to the church produced sorrow, repentance, and salvation …
“… your sorrow led to repentance. For you were made sorry in a godly manner …
For godly sorrow produces repentance leading to salvation, not to be regretted” (2 Cor 7:9-10)

 

[annsni]

Unsaved ... bad example ... Are all important doctrines all found in one place?
Obviously not, and repetitive repentance is found elsewhere.
An obvious one is ...

Paul’s letter of chastisement to the church produced sorrow, repentance, and salvation …
“… your sorrow led to repentance. For you were made sorry in a godly manner …
For godly sorrow produces repentance leading to salvation, not to be regretted” (2 Cor 7:9-10)

Godly sorrow produces repentance leading to salvation - so then when we sin, do we lose that salvation? Is this a process over and over again and we just have to hope to die at the right point in the cycle....kind of like being in a state of grace as per the Catholic church?

 

[BobRyan]

Slavery to sinning is rejected by the Bible.

Romans 6:12
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

Christians don't even realize what Romans 6 is all about.
Paul's #1 purpose in Romans 6 was to give Christians a big time warning that
continued sinning makes them slaves to sin which guarantees eternal death.
People just don't discern his great tactfulness, mixing edifications with warnings.

There is a "doomed to slavery to sin" sort of gospel floating around and one thing it does to survive - is ignore Romans 6.

You probably noticed that already.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

Godly sorrow produces repentance leading to salvation - so then when we sin, do we lose that salvation

Do you have a quote from someone on this thread that is in favor of Romans 6 and also argues as you have suggested above??

Other than you quoting you in the example above - I did not see it on this thread.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[annsni]

Do you have a quote from someone on this thread that is in favor of Romans 6 and also argues as you have suggested above??

Other than you quoting you in the example above - I did not see it on this thread.

in Christ,

Bob

Piece of cake ...

"But IF we (continue to) walk in the light as He is in the light,
we (continue to) have fellowship with one another,
and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son (continues to) cleanses us from all sin.
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
IF we (continue to) confess (repent of) our sins, He is faithful and just to (continue to)
forgive us our sins and to (continue to) cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.
My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin.
And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous."
(1 John 1:7-2:1)
Derek Prince explained that the Greek verbs here are all continuous verbs.

Christians must confess and repent of their sins in order to maintain their righteousness before God.
Throughout the whole Bible ... sinners are unrighteous! ... obedient believers are righteous!

Proverbs 28:13 “He who covers his sins will not prosper,
but whoever confesses and forsakes them will have mercy.

2 Chronicles 15:2 … The LORD is with you while you are with Him.
If you seek Him, He will be found by you; but if you forsake Him, He will forsake you.

,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

 

[Osterloh]

Godly sorrow produces repentance leading to salvation - so then when we sin, do we lose that salvation? Is this a process over and over again and we just have to hope to die at the right point in the cycle....kind of like being in a state of grace as per the Catholic church?

I don't know ... all I do is report on what the Scripture says.
The difference between me and most is ... I believe ALL of Scripture!
BTW, I love M&Ms.

Next up: your complaint about my failure to tell you all of God's spiritual truth.

 

[Scarlett O.]

So what's your opinion about people who purposefully lie and are unrepentant about it? Are they partakers of the second death?

 

[Scarlett O.]

......................................

 

[thisnumbersdisconnected]

I don't know ... all I do is report on what the Scripture says.

But like the liberal media, not accurately. No, the Scripture does not say that we can lose our salvation. What you report is your misunderstanding, and likely what others have told you, which is untrue. But getting you to understand that is not something we will be able to do until you open your heart to the Holy Spirit to consideration you might believe erroneously.

Will you?

 

[Revmitchell]

But like the liberal media, not accurately. No, the Scripture does not say that we can lose our salvation. What you report is your misunderstanding, and likely what others have told you, which is untrue. But getting you to understand that is not something we will be able to do until you open your heart to the Holy Spirit to consideration you might believe erroneously.

Will you?

This guy is a troll. He was banned under another name. The only thing he ever posts about is how everyone but him and lose their salvation.

 

[annsni]

I don't know ... all I do is report on what the Scripture says.
The difference between me and most is ... I believe ALL of Scripture!
BTW, I love M&Ms.

Next up: your complaint about my failure to tell you all of God's spiritual truth.

I believe all of Scripture as well and I believe God when He says that we can KNOW we have eternal life (1 John 5:13), that NOTHING can separate us from the love of God (Romans 8). It is GOD who preserves us and keeps us from falling (Jude 24) and our eternity is secure and that no one can snatch us from God's hand (John 10:28-29). We are sealed for the day of redemption (Ephesians 4:30).

John 6:37-40 really cements this promise of God:

“All that the Father gives Me shall come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out. “For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. “And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing, but raise it up on the last day. “For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him, may have eternal life; and I Myself will raise him up on the last day,"


What M&Ms have to do with this subject, I have no idea.

 

[Osterloh]

So what's your opinion about people who purposefully lie and are unrepentant about it?
Are they partakers of the second death?

Rev 21:7-8 “He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God
and he shall be My son. But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers,
sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the
lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”
Please note the sample case:
“… you know that NO murderer has eternal life abiding in him” (1 John 3:15).

Obviously, we need to overcome all of these things!
No, wait ... sorry, 'tis not obvious at all to all, is it?

You are talking about habitual unrepentant liars, right?
Then yes, absolutely!
ALL of the "sin list" passages apply to absolutely everyone.

And this even makes sense logically, right?
Would it be fair for an unbelieving habitual sinner to be punished
while a BAC habitual sinner doing the exact same thing is NOT punished?
Now, that's taking grace way too far ... taking advantage of God's goodness!

 

[Osterloh]

The only thing he ever posts about is how everyone but him and lose their salvation.

This guy is a great example of exactly what's wrong with our churches today!

 

[Scarlett O.]

You are talking about habitual unrepentant liars, right?
Then yes, absolutely! ALL of the "sin list" passages apply to absolutely everyone.

You are an unrepentant liar.

You have habitually denied being Evangelist-7. Twice to a moderator and once to me.

You have not come clean and told the truth.

Physician - heal thyself!

Or at least get your own sin "cleaned up" before you come here blasting away at us.

You see, if you don't repent of this, then all this proves it that this is all a big joke to you.

You have no credibility.