Propitiation

[KenH]

A couple of sermons on the subject of propitiation, by Bill Parker, pastor of Eager Avenue Grace Church in Albany, Georgia.

Each video is 28 minutes and 30 seconds in length.


Romans 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God.

Propitiation - Part 1


1 John 2:1-3 1My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: and he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world. And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

Propitiation - 2

 

[Van]

Only a Calvinist would need almost an hour to say "propitiation" does not provide the "means of reconciliation."

Romans 3:25 Whom God hath set forth as the place providing the means of reconciliation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God.

1 John 2:1-3 1My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: and he is the means of reconciliation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world. And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

1 John 4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son as the means of reconciliation for our sins.

Hebrews 9:5
and above it were the cherubim of glory overshadowing the place providing the means of reconciliation; but about these things we cannot now speak in detail.

 

[Van]

Christ is the propitatory shelter, and when sealed in Him, the individuals have been washed, sanctified and justified. The wrath of God has been totally turned aside!

Romans 3:25
CLV - (Whom God purposed for a Propitiatory shelter, through faith in His blood, for a display of His righteousness because of the passing over of the penalties of sins which occurred before in the forbearance of God),

Thus Christ is the place providing the means of reconciliation.

 

[KenH]

God's elect have been reconciled by the propitiatory sacrifice of Christ.

Romans 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

 

[Van]

Romans 5:9-10 is an interesting, if oft misunderstood passage.

Romans 5:9-10
much more, then, having been declared righteous now in his blood, we shall be saved through him from the wrath; for if, being enemies, we have been reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved in his life.

This passage presents the three facets of Salvation:

1) Indicating that while we were dead in our sins, lost and thus heading for destruction, enemies of the gospel in that we were not advocates, we were reconciled by God's divine action, that is to say we were individually transferred into Christ, washed, sanctified and justified. Thus Positional Sanctification had been accomplished.

2) Once born anew, as a new creation, created for good works, we were then engaged in Progressive Sanctification, as we strive to become more Christ-like and serve Christ as His ambassadors. As we earn rewards for being a faithful servant, and as the power of sin in our lives is progressively reduced, this facet of our salvation grows. In this phase, we are led by His living Spirit, our helper.

3) When we physically die, in our future, our spirits will be enrolled in the general assembly in heaven, rather than facing the wrath of God in Hades. Additionally, when Christ returns, we will experience our bodily redemption and meet Christ in the air. In this Ultimate Sanctification phase, we are united with Christ in Eternal life.

 

[Martin Marprelate]

A propitiation is a sacrifice that turns away wrath. We know that God is satisfied with the propitiation provided by Christ because it was He who set Him forth as a propitiation (Romans 3:25). Therefore God is propitiated in respect of all those for whom Christ died (Romans 8:1).

 

[Van]

A propitiation is a sacrifice that turns away wrath. We know that God is satisfied with the propitiation provided by Christ because it was He who set Him forth as a propitiation (Romans 3:25). Therefore God is propitiated in respect of all those for whom Christ died (Romans 8:1).

Absolute fiction.

Only those God has transferred into Christ, thus having been washed, sanctified and justified, have received the reconciliation provided by Christ's sacrifice.

Romans 3:25 does indeed say Christ was set forth as the place providing the means of reconciliation.

Romans 8:1 says there is no condemnation for those who have been transferred into Christ.

 

[KenH]

A third sermon on the subject of propitiation, by Bill Parker, pastor of Eager Avenue Grace Church in Albany, Georgia.

The video is 28 minutes and 30 seconds in length.

1 John 4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

Propitiation - Part 3

 

[JonC]

A propitiation is a sacrifice that turns away wrath. We know that God is satisfied with the propitiation provided by Christ because it was He who set Him forth as a propitiation (Romans 3:25). Therefore God is propitiated in respect of all those for whom Christ died (Romans 8:1).

"Propitiation" literally means something done to "make favorable".

Christ IS our Propitiation as we are "made favorable" in Him and through His blood.


The mistake some make is to add to this word things that do not necessarily belong (often by focusing on the negative rather than the actual meaning of the word....not that both cannot be true.


Jesus is our Propitiation. Why? Because He was "obedient to death, even the death on a cross".

This is why Scripture can say that Jesus is the Propitiation for the sins of the whole world without this even hinting at universal salvation.

Man is "made favorable" in Christ, in Him we "escape the wrath to come".

 

[KenH]

Per Strong's, the word is ἱλασμός, meaning an expiation, which is an act that extinguishes guilt.

Thus, all persons for whom Christ is the propitiation have had their guilt extinguished.

From the Blue Letter Bible section using Strong's:

ἱλασμός hilasmós, hil-as-mos'; atonement, i.e. (concretely) an expiator:—propitiation.

 

[percho]

"Propitiation" literally means something done to "make favorable".

Christ IS our Propitiation as we are "made favorable" in Him and through His blood.


The mistake some make is to add to this word things that do not necessarily belong (often by focusing on the negative rather than the actual meaning of the word....not that both cannot be true.


Jesus is our Propitiation. Why? Because He was "obedient to death, even the death on a cross".

This is why Scripture can say that Jesus is the Propitiation for the sins of the whole world without this even hinting at universal salvation.

Man is "made favorable" in Christ, in Him we "escape the wrath to come".

Consider the following to the above especially- Jesus is our Propitiation. Why? Because He was "obedient to death, even the death on a cross". ie to the shed blood of him. Soul of the flesh in the blood Lev 17:11 Poured out his soul unto death.

Lev 16:15,16 And he shall take of the blood of the bullock, and sprinkle it with his finger upon the mercy seat [ἱλαστήριον LXX] eastward; and before the mercy seat shall he sprinkle of the blood with his finger seven times.
Then shall he kill the goat of the sin offering, that is for the people, and bring his blood within the vail, and do with that blood as he did with the blood of the bullock, and sprinkle it upon the mercy seat, and before the mercy seat:

Rom 3:25 YLT whom God did set forth a mercy seat, [ἱλαστήριον] through the faith in his blood, for the shewing forth of His righteousness [the righteousness of God], because of the passing over of the bygone sins in the forbearance of God --

Is this speaking of faith, that comes from within us, in his being obedient unto death or faith of God the Father in the Son being obedient unto death?

Does not Hebrews 5:7,8 show that the Son [of God] learned the obedience of faith of Romans 3:25?

Heb 5:7,8 YLT who in the days of his flesh both prayers and supplications unto Him who was able to save him from death -- with strong crying and tears -- having offered up, and having been heard in respect to that which he feared, through being a Son, did learn by the things which he suffered -- the obedience,

The obedience of shedding his blood [faith of the Father] for the mercy seat ? Is that what the Son learned, experienced?

 

[David Lamb]

Absolute fiction.

Only those God has transferred into Christ, thus having been washed, sanctified and justified, have received the reconciliation provided by Christ's sacrifice.

Romans 3:25 does indeed say Christ was set forth as the place providing the means of reconciliation.

Romans 8:1 says there is no condemnation for those who have been transferred into Christ.

But Martin Marprelate included in his post "Therefore God is propitiated in respect of all those for whom Christ died (Romans 8:1).
"Those for whom Christ died" are the same as your "those who have been (or will be) transferred into Christ."

 

[JonC]

But Martin Marprelate included in his post "Therefore God is propitiated in respect of all those for whom Christ died (Romans 8:1).
"Those for whom Christ died" are the same as your "those who have been (or will be) transferred into Christ."

But that is a move away from Scripture.

Christ is the Propitiation for all sin. When we twist this into God is propitiated we risk the potential of error.

Is God propitiated, or is Christ the Propitiatiin for the sins of the world?

Who changes? Man or God?

 

[Van]

But Martin Marprelate included in his post "Therefore God is propitiated in respect of all those for whom Christ died (Romans 8:1).
"Those for whom Christ died" are the same as your "those who have been (or will be) transferred into Christ."

Sorry, but to provide the means of reconciliation for the whole of humanity (1 John 2:2) Christ died not only for those to be saved, but also for those never to be saved (2 Peter 2:1).

Not to put too fine a point on it, but the mistaken view is that Christ died only for the individuals supposedly chosen before the foundation of the world, Epheisans 1:4. The biblical view is no individual was chosen for salvation individually before the foundation of the world. What Ephesians 1:4 actually says is when God chose individually Logos to be His Lamb of God, His Redeemer, He therefore chose corporately those His Redeemer would redeem, thus He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world. You do not choose a Redeemer without also choosing corporately those He will redeem!