So they were going to be doing something that HE did not care about (like an easter egg hunt) and He says "pray that your flight NOT be during the easter egg hunt or in winter"!
That is your way of "rationalizing that away"??!!
Who said anything about what Jesus cared about? Of course, He would care about them getting caught on the sabbath (just like if they were pregant. Now are all of us required to get pregnant?) This still says nothing about it being binding on all after that. What does easter bunnies have to do with it? Once again; ridiculous distractions that does not even belong in the discussion; just like the rats and bats.
As for Erics charge that God claims HIS OWN scripture is "the weak and elemental things of this world" and to be condemned like paganism, Bob said
More defamatory, lying charges that anyone reading can see are not true. Once again; you think everyone here is that stupid? I don't even know what I earlier said?
Obviously the ONLY thing weak and elemental OF THIS WORLD that was FORMERLY practiced by gentiles in Galatia - is "paganism".
True. But paganism is NOT the only thing people were "LOST" under! The Jews were lost under something as well, and it was not paganism!
I think you are getting lost in the post - read the above statement I made again. I repeatedly point out that the Word of God is NEVER called "the weak and elemental things of this world" by ANY NT author much less Christ.
But nobody is talking about the Word of God. We are talking about people's CONDITION under the Law; which you acknowledged was "lost". See how you keep shifting the focus to God's word to cast me as attacking/denigrating it, rather than works-righteousness.
The contrast shows SALVATION in the one case (Hebrew nation Church, Heb 11, Timothy as a child etc) and then shows "being lost" in paganism on the other hand.
If the argument is that Jews before Christ were lost then Heb 11 refutes that "clearly".
So were only pagans lost?
Was everyone in Israel saved by keeping the Law, or just from being in that "nation-church"? That's what people thought back then. And the entire NT proves them wrong. The end of Romans 9 shows that many WERE lost because they "sought [righteousness]
not by faith", but rather "
by the works of the Law" (i.e. "obedience"); and then Hebrews 11 goes on to mention various saints who were justified by faith. All of them did not even keep the whole Law! Not because "obedience isn't necessary"; as you keep falsely accusing me of saying; but because no one is obedient enough to justify themsleves before God. So all of this "I'm keeping more commandments than you" rhetoric is carnal, and you shall never be justified by it!
If the argument is that SOME Jews before the Cross were lost (as some people in the church today are lost) then it is "a given" that sin is sin and being lost is being lost. But that is NOT a way of saying "obeying scripture is a weak and elemental thing of this world" as you try to turn it around.
Nobody said that. Nobody CAN obey enough; and THAT is where man is lost, and it's
trying to justify onesself by the Law that is the "weak and elemental thing of the world"; because it's the same as every other tower of Babel the pagans without the Law do to puff up their pride and think their something they're not. So since we couldn't obey the whole law; scripture makes a provision for us; and many of those laws were not universal spiritual principles that carry on to the NT. Now can you please get that straight for once, and stop accusing me of saying "obedience is the weak and elemental thing" or "paganism".
And I point out in the quote above that the SAME reference to "observing days months seasons and years" is exactly how Emperor worship was stated and is NOT something God's OWN Word commanded!
I am just pointing out that the ability to "see" that the formula "days, months, seasons and year" applied to Emperor worship that was a huge problem in Paul's day - is recognized by historians and Christian leaders.
That is a formula NEVER used for God's Word!
The passage does not even mention emperor worship. You have to go by what the text says; not the "reference" scholars draw from it. Both Jews and pagans had "days, months, seasons and year". All ancient religions observed the calendar; including Israel. Whether you call it a "formula" or not. It does mention "You who desire to be UNDER THE LAW", and in other places, the same type of people "
watching them
with evil intent" to condemn them for breaking the sabbath.
No way to pin that on God as you have been trying to do.
So now; I'm trying to "pin something" on no less than God!!! Keep it up...
I have given you the simple facts. NO NT or OT author Calls God's Word "A weak and elmental thing of THIS WORLD". You have no basis for that charge whatsoever.
Calling me a "liar" does not strengthen your case.
No, but you prove yourself such again. You cannot find ONE place where I
CALL God's Word "A weak and elemental thing of THIS WORLD"; or I
SAY "An OT or NT author
CALLS God's Word 'A weak and elemental thing of THIS WORLD'". NOT ONCE can you find it. It is one thing to say "your argument would
lead to that assumption or corollary". That is how you would get that point across. But no; that is not a strong enough charge for you. So you have to go back and rewrite every word that comes out of my keyboard to have me "CALL" the Word of God that; so that way; you have a strong enough "case"; (since this is a trial of all protestants anyway) to dismiss whatever I say about God's word; because I reject it as a pagan "element of the world", and I'm lust looking for an excuse to justify eating cat bat and rat sanwiches; so obviously everything I say is automatically false.
Once again; oh boy, We all better quit our jobs tomorrow, and add to that; throw out all my dishes and cookware my wife uses for pork (which I don't even eat), forbid her from beringin it into the house, and while I'm at it; throw out all the clean meat out of the refrigerator; because the SDA really believes that
all meat is unhealthy; not just unclean; even though they know they are at odds with scripture in forbidding all meat; and therefore need to find a reason to forbid it. (better cough up the burger I just ate while writing this!)
This is not how you have a discussion. Deal with what I SAY; not what you think it means. If you think it would render the word of God as illegitimate; then you can mention that YOU THINK that is what that does (still; you should be fair and truthful in that; because I certainly clarify what I think was "weak and elemental" over and over again; and right from the scriptures). But don't say I SAID such-and such; when I didn't. Don't accusing me of "pinning something" on God' like I have the audacity to think I have Him on trial! If you or GE can't debate truthfully, and without twisting things; then I will start reporting it; and ask them to shut this thread down. We don't all have the hours and sometimes even days answering takes for this. All we are doing is repeating those old threads, and you refuse to debate what I say, rather than tell me what I said.
Once again; if this is what you have to do to prove the Sabbath; then you are putting yourself in a bind. Instead of hurling James at mea; you should be reading what he said: the same God who gave one commandment, gave the other, and if you break one and keep the other; you are still a lawbreaker. You find a scripture that says sacrifices have ended. I keep other commandments, but not the sabbath; because I read in the scriptures that that passed away with the Old COvenant as well. This is what I SAY; not that God's word is weak and elemental, bondage, etc). Now can you find a scripture that says that twisting is making up what I say (forms of lying) is now OK; then you can come back to me talking about the Law.
THER holy day existed.