Featured Proverbs 31:4-7. Drinking not for kings?

Did Jesus get drunk, as they charged? And where did they get the charge? Why would they revile drunkenness?

So tell me...why do people in our culture imbibe?

Is our water in need of being purified by wine? Did Christ drink wine for entertainment?

I would venture a guess that Christ understood men in their weakness, and did not revile those that drank, as many people do. However...reviling someone because they don't drink for the specific reason of not relinquishing self control nor giving Satan an entrance, nor giving occasion for Christ to be mocked by those outside of the Church seeing someone drink and considering them to be hypocrites?

And unbelievers do, you know. They have a higher standard for the Church than the Church oftentimes has herself. And while we understand our liberty in Christ, they do not, and that just opens the door for more confusion.


God bless.

 

I used to have long hair when I played music, but not long after I was saved I cut it off. Went for a number of years getting haircuts from barbers, which I always had to go home and cut off what they missed, so then I just started cutting my own hair.

Got a buzz cut for the heck of it once and I have never gone back.

I work in attics that range from 100 to 140 degrees, and it is just the best cut for that kind of work. Not only that, but I occasionally wear a stocking cap in the winter, and a buzz cut is not affected like a regular haircut might be.

It is interesting that what is likely observance of the Nazirite Vow shows this:


Acts 21:21-27

King James Version (KJV)

21 And they are informed of thee, that thou teachest all the Jews which are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, saying that they ought not to circumcise their children, neither to walk after the customs.

22 What is it therefore? the multitude must needs come together: for they will hear that thou art come.

23 Do therefore this that we say to thee: We have four men which have a vow on them;

24 Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law.

25 As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication.

26 Then Paul took the men, and the next day purifying himself with them entered into the temple, to signify the accomplishment of the days of purification, until that an offering should be offered for every one of them.

27 And when the seven days were almost ended, the Jews which were of Asia, when they saw him in the temple, stirred up all the people, and laid hands on him,


While I am being conformed tot he image of Christ, emulating Paul is a reasonable goal as well.



Besides:


1 Corinthians 11:14

King James Version (KJV)

14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?


And this is where the hippies among us may offer similar arguments as yours in defense of drinking alcohol:


"Did Jesus have long hair?"

I don't know, Scripture is silent about it, and creating theology from extra-biblical sources is best left to Catholics and Historicists.

I follow all three in the sense that both John the Apostle and John the Baptist were mighty men of God used in some of the most important work God ever accomplished through men.

But I worship only God.

There is a distinction.

And both of these two fellows cannot be questioned as to their doctrine, with the exception of perhaps John's ( the Baptist) uncertainty as to whether Christ was the Promised Messiah. And that is the only fault that can be laid on John...the original Baptist.

Doesn't it make you wish there was a John the Historicist somewhere in there?

Closer than you might think.

See?

Always quoting men, never Scripture.

How very catholic of you.

Could you show me where that theological term is found in Scripture?

I'll assume that you agree with the points.


God bless.

 

Never assume....you know the rest of the story right?

 

I would agree for the most part. But, if you go back I am pretty sure I mentioned people tasting it for the first time. That is the context.

When I was a kid my grandfather and I would have "Coffee and toast," which was coffee with milk and sugar poured over toast (try it before dismissing it). When Coffee is prepared that way we could see that there is no intention of a child to wake himself up (can't speak for my granpa) and the taste is modified to something even a kid could like.

Now say that about liquor. Tell me the first time you drank a shot of liquor you said "Boy that's good."

One has to acquire a taste for it, and eventually, the taste might be desired. I know when I drank, the only one I ever thought was tolerable was tequila. I had a guy I was doing a job for give me two bottles of some fruit wine that was the best tasting wine I ever had, but it didn't taste at all like the wines I had before. Beer, well, the only time I remember thinking "That tasted great" was on a hot day when a neighbor handed me a Miller straight from the cooler, but when I started drinking it (because band members did, and it looked cool to a 13 year old)...I didn't think much of the taste.

So tell me, did you, when you first tasted alcohol...think it tasted good. If your first taste was like the wine I had that one time, I could understand, but is that the case?

And going back to coffee...coffee does not alter the mind, usually, unless over indulged in, which is excess, and I don't think anyone is advocating excess in anything like that.

Still laughing?

God bless.

 

What do you expect of tea totalers

 

I do. And I speculate that this is an occasion where Paul made a mistake. Because the Jews were still observing sacrifice which could, in my view, be misconstrued as indicating Jews still had to do that. While I have no problem with Jews observing traditional ceremonies, the context is specifically in relation to the Law itself, and again, I speculate that Paul's imprisonment may have been a result of what may have been weakness on Paul's part.

I always want to say, "No Paul! Don't do that! Give it to 'em straight! Tell them you will not meet their demands and participate. Tell them that there is a reason why the issue is controversial."

But he never does.

Though I think it is highly likely that eventually he does in a letter, also known as the Epistle to the Hebrews.


God bless.

 

What does the world expect of Christians?


God bless.

 

Nothing...the world could care less

 

Lok, here's the deal: the position was "no alcohol ever, period." The position came out of ignorance that many of our ingredients contain some amount of alcohol. This information confused the individual, who was unaware of this. This individual was further educated--not "set straight"--that the alcohol is burned off during the cooking.

I don't indulge; I don't encourage others to indulge. Romans 14 is my guideline: I will not be a stumbling block to others. But I also will not judge a fellow Christian who views the situation differently than I do, unless it's leading to sin.

 

You really need to get out more often.

The truth is that many professing atheists have a better idea of the holiness God expects from His People than professing Christians do.

There is an old saying, "The single greatest cause of Atheism is...Christians."

And that is very true, because Atheists do no understand that salvation is not a conversion to a temporally perfect Saint, but the beginning of a growth process which unfortunately for most of us...takes years before we finally start understanding God's desire that His People be holy...because He is Holy.

You could understand that better by speaking to atheists. While guys at the bar might be more amenable, then atheists can teach you, and me, a thing or two of what the watching, dying world...expects.

They see the standard without the escape clause mentality of greasy grace. They see the behavior, efforts, and accomplishment of the Early Church. But it is Church History that brings about the charge of hypocrisy. They are more apt to quote Church Fathers with the intent of showing their transgressions so they can say, "If these men were saved...I want no part of that."

And they are right sometimes. But, again, they have a false premise in nearly every Apologetic they have, and for us to give them justification for anything is reprehensible.


God bless.

 

So you think I am in error to see a "leading to sin" in this exchange...

...?

And...don't call me Lok.


God bless.

 

See, if you tried a Samuel Smith's Nut Brown Lager...brewed in the UK, you'd swear that angels made it. The taste is fantastic....that is if you like a good beer!:laugh:

 

My brother likes Guiness Stout. I am curious about how that tastes, never having tried it.

Should I satisfy that desire to know what it tastes like?


God bless.

 

Single malt? Only drink single malt. Then what do you use for shots.......my personal favorite is rye.Rye is dry.

 

No; why do you come to that conclusion?

Meant to be "look." Typing too fast on my phone.

 

My complements to your brother....But Iperfer the draft....you can buy them in cans 4 pack. I usually have that Saturday mornings instead of coffee....Very good taste....I liked it immediately.....course im not a drunk so I can stop at one and be satisfied. Didn't you ID that you are an alcoholic....so no I wouldn't advise it.

 

Wow.....you really think you got a lock on it don't you! How old are you? You know jack! I live in northern NJ where everyone is either a Jew (you should love that) or a Catholic...70% or an aethiest .....and they believe they have one.......evidenced by the lack of Baptist churches....or any church of any spiritual substance. And they are right. There is nary a presence of any significant stripe. So they don't care. Your no and I mean no threat to them.

 

Oh I forgot.....we got the muzzies moving in too. Go try talking to them.