Latterrain,
You ask:
If an infant going to hell is an “unmistakable fact,” as you insist it is, then you should have no difficulty providing examples of it from the inerrant Bible.
Scott replies:
You know there is no such scripture. You try and support your idea or exclude my premise on this alone? This can only be dealt with from the generalities that deal with the general depravity of man, i.e woman, children, infants, etc. You do not see much of scripture referring to children or woman in the direct sense; does this exclude them from the responsibility? No, it is the harmony that ties us to the acknowledgement that just because they are not literally mentioned in every instance, we are conscious that, it is implied. Silence does not necessarily make for an excuse to omit that which the scriptures harmonize.
Sorry, what you try and propose is nothing less than a weak argument to dismantle the obvious.
I have asked you if it is an unmistakable fact that some men and woman do in fact end up in Hell. I will assume you have answered
,"yes". If this be true, how can you exclude children from the equation? Why is a child above that which an adult is held accountable for.
Rom ch 3 says that "ALL" have sinned. This "all" includes infants....this based upon the Adamic sin that is imputed to them, even at conception.
Eph 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins:
I ask you, why was John the baptist regenerated in the womb if he was not in need?
Why was Jeremiah set apart from the womb if in fact he would be free from anything unholy or illicit as an infant? Why would he need to be set apart (in the Hebrew, its the same word used to describe how God set apart the sabbath)?
Also, just to clear the confusion, here is your previous question and my reply:
Nov 6, 2002
I would like to know more about the “unmistakable fact” that some infants and children go to hell. If you would like to provide that chapter and verse it would be appreciated. If not, may I ask your your opinion on Deut. 1: 39?
Scott's reply:
Here is the scripture in context......
Deu 1:33 Who went in the way before you, to search you out a place to pitch your tents in, in fire by night, to show you by what way ye should go, and in a cloud by day.
Deu 1:34 And the LORD heard the voice of your words, and was wroth, and sware, saying,
Deu 1:35 Surely there shall not one of these men of this evil generation see that good land, which I sware to give unto your fathers,
Deu 1:36 Save Caleb the son of Jephunneh; he shall see it, and to him will I give the land that he hath trodden upon , and to his children, because he hath wholly followed the LORD.
Deu 1:37 Also the LORD was angry with me for your sakes, saying, Thou also shalt not go in thither.
Deu 1:38 But Joshua the son of Nun, which standeth before thee, he shall go in thither: encourage him: for he shall cause Israel to inherit it.
Deu 1:39 Moreover your little ones, which ye said should be a prey, and your children, which in that day had no knowledge between good and evil, they shall go in thither, and unto them will I give it, and they shall possess it.
Deu 1:40 But as for you, turn you, and take your journey into the wilderness by the way of the Red sea.
As I had said before, this is the promise to Israel to inherit the promised land, not Heaven.
The children: not knowing good or evil is irrelevant. They are still condemned based upon Adams imputation. There is none righteous, no not one!
Rom 5:16-20
The gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned; for on the one hand the judgment arose from one transgression resulting in condemnation , but on the other hand the free gift arose from many transgressions resulting in justification.
Rom 5:17
For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one , much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.
Rom 5:18
So then as through one transgression there resulted condemnation to all men , even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men.
Rom 5:19
For as through the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners , even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous.
Rom 5:20
The Law came in so that the transgression would increase ; but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more,
There you have it.......none righteous, not even infants. The law that you imply that they are above, based upon ignorance is refuted above. Actually, the above (v20) says that the law came in "so that the transgression would increase".
This is what I base my position on.
[ November 08, 2002, 11:35 PM: Message edited by: Scott_Bushey ]
