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Psalm 7:11

JD731

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You are posting gibberish. I said the KJV is in error. God is a just judge. Psalm 7:11 does NOT, REPEAT NOT say God judges the righteous. That is not in the KJV footnote, that is in the body of the verse.

Obviously the KJV got it wrong, but many will deny the obvious.
The KJV did not get it wrong in any way. The fact is that God is not dealing with his people Israel in the Psalms under the Divine principle of GRACE, as he is today. This is a prophecy. Much of this prophecy in the Psalms transcends this age of grace. If you study the Bible and Bible history over the last two thousand years, you will see it was never the aim of God to purify any people, Israel or otherwise, under the principle of grace. It was his aim to prepare the bride for the wedding ceremony. Have you never read the prophetic parables of Jesus Christ during the last week of his life on earth when he said "all things are now ready, call all those who were bidden to the wedding supper, and they would not come. So, he sent the same preachers out to gather some guests from the hedges and highways and bid them come that his house (family) might be full and he would deal with his own later."

One must begin at the beginning of the Bible history and follow the logic and believe the words. It is the only way to understanding. There is safety in believing the words of the KJV Bible.
 
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Van

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The KJV did not get it wrong in any way. The fact is that God is not dealing with his people Israel in the Psalms under the Divine principle of GRACE, as he is today. This is a prophecy. Much of this prophecy in the Psalms transcends this age of grace. If you study the Bible and Bible history over the last two thousand years, you will see it was never the aim of God to purify any people, Israel or otherwise, under the principle of grace. It was his aim to prepare the bride for the wedding ceremony. Have you never read the prophetic parables of Jesus Christ during the last week of his life on earth when he said "all things are now ready, call all those who were bidden to the wedding supper, and they would not come. So, he sent the same preachers out to gather some guests from the hedges and highways and bid them come and he would deal with his own later."

One must begin at the beginning of the Bible history and follow the logic and believe the words. It is the only way to understanding. There is safety in elieving the KJV Bible.
The KJV translation of Psalm 7:11 is wrong, and your denial just proves your mind is closed. No need to change the subject. The verse should be translated God is a just judge, not God judges the righteous. Full Stop.

Did you even address why the NKJV changed the translation? No - demonstrating once again it is pointless to discuss any errors in the KJV with you as you might deny them all.
 

JD731

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I accept the criticism but I will say that few, if any, men here have cast their soul on the authority of any translation or any of the 4 families of the original language manuscripts, not giving any assurance that any of them are truly inspired and preserved. You, more than anyone here have confidence is your own intellect and state it often. I am not trying to be mean here, just stating facts and trying to help.
 

Van

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I am absolutely not KJV-only, but I have to say that I question if your Hebrew is strong enough to say that with such confidence. Mine certainly isn't.
How about the guys over at the NKJV, or the ESV, or the NASB, or the NET or I could go on forever and still no Calvinist would admit I am on the side of modern translators.
 

JD731

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No one could track the themes through the Bible unless there was a consistency through the words. These words record a Divine mind. Ones could not come to the same conclusion on doctrines if they had more than one edition of the scriptures. These 12 Psalms that develop a theme of God being absent as if he were asleep and not answering the prayer until the last minute of those his own who were in deep distress and ready to perish unless one would track them through the words that are used in all of the 12 Psalms.

Ps 74:1 Maschil of Asaph. O God, why hast thou cast us off for ever? why doth thine anger smoke against the sheep of thy pasture?
2 Remember thy congregation, which thou hast purchased of old; the rod of thine inheritance, which thou hast redeemed; this mount Zion, wherein thou hast dwelt.

Questions without answers.


Sins in the sanctuary in mount Zion - The temple is where the LORD dwelt in the OT time. It is being violated here. Read about it.

Remember the parallels. There was more than one temple destroyed by gentiles. Prophecy is circular.
3 Lift up thy feet unto the perpetual desolations; even all that the enemy hath done wickedly in the sanctuary.
4 Thine enemies roar in the midst of thy congregations; they set up their ensigns for signs.
5 A man was famous according as he had lifted up axes upon the thick trees.
6 But now they break down the carved work thereof at once with axes and hammers.
7 They have cast fire into thy sanctuary, they have defiled by casting down the dwelling place of thy name to the ground.
8 They said in their hearts, Let us destroy them together: they have burned up all the synagogues of God in the land.
9 We see not our signs: there is no more any prophet: neither is there among us any that knoweth how long.
10 O God, how long shall the adversary reproach? shall the enemy blaspheme thy name for ever?

No answer in the Psalm but there is one in Matthew. The Lord is not there. I am going to post what the Lord himself said about what men might say about where he is and he says he is not there and not to believe it if someone says he is. I will paste this at the end of this psalm.

11 Why withdrawest thou thy hand, even thy right hand? pluck it out of thy bosom.
12 For God is my King of old, working salvation in the midst of the earth.
13 Thou didst divide the sea by thy strength: thou brakest the heads of the dragons in the waters.
14 Thou brakest the heads of leviathan in pieces, and gavest him to be meat to the people inhabiting the wilderness.
15 Thou didst cleave the fountain and the flood: thou driedst up mighty rivers.
16 The day is thine, the night also is thine: thou hast prepared the light and the sun.
17 Thou hast set all the borders of the earth: thou hast made summer and winter.

The conditions while the above is going on and the Lord is silent;
18 Remember this, that the enemy hath reproached, O LORD, and that the foolish people have blasphemed thy name.
19 O deliver not the soul of thy turtledove unto the multitude of the wicked: forget not the congregation of thy poor for ever.
20 Have respect unto the covenant: for the dark places of the earth are full of the habitations of cruelty.
21 O let not the oppressed return ashamed: let the poor and needy praise thy name.
22 Arise, O God, plead thine own cause: remember how the foolish man reproacheth thee daily.
23 Forget not the voice of thine enemies: the tumult of those that rise up against thee increaseth continually.

Matthew 24:
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect s sake those days shall be shortened.
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were` possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.

The Lord is not present while this wicked man of sin is doing these abominations. He has not yet arisen, but he will.

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Believe the words in their context. They are all true. There is just a lot of information in this psalm and in this theme that is about the time when Jesus Christ returns to deliver a purified people and sets up his righteous kingdom through a redeemed Israel. Remember, the present age is not detailed in the Psalms.
 

Ben1445

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The KJV translation of Psalm 7:11 is wrong, and your denial just proves your mind is closed. No need to change the subject. The verse should be translated God is a just judge, not God judges the righteous. Full Stop.

Did you even address why the NKJV changed the translation? No - demonstrating once again it is pointless to discuss any errors in the KJV with you as you might deny them all.
If someone has a conclusion that doesn’t match your own, they have a closed mind?
You prattle on all the time about people answering you and not the subject.
You have no ground to require it. You don’t live by your own standards.
If you want to keep your standards, fine. Stop berating others for what you cannot see in yourself.
 

Van

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If someone has a conclusion that doesn’t match your own, they have a closed mind?
You prattle on all the time about people answering you and not the subject.
You have no ground to require it. You don’t live by your own standards.
If you want to keep your standards, fine. Stop berating others for what you cannot see in yourself.
Does not match mine? What prattle!!!! I cited the NKJV, the ESV, the NASB, the NET and could list all modern translations. Even translations before the KJV got it right, such as Tyndale. And some got it wrong and the KJV followed down the rabbit hole.
 

Van

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Folks, have you read Psalm 7:11 in context. It is all about God judging people, the wicked, and the righteous. That is why the conclusion of the vast majority of modern translations say God is a just judge or words to that affect. And as a righteous judge, He would not always be angry with those He is judging.

God, a righteous judge, is not angry all the time.
 

Ben1445

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Does not match mine? What prattle!!!!
That is what your statement added up to.
I cited the NKJV, the ESV, the NASB, the NET and could list all modern translations. Even translations before the KJV got it right, such as Tyndale. And some got it wrong and the KJV followed down the rabbit hole.
No matter the evidence, every person must still judge the evidence presented for themselves. When someone has a different conclusion, it usually means that they have a different perspective. It doesn’t mean they have a closed mind. It means they have a different mind.
And I don’t think that this is a verse that will send anyone to premature judgment if misunderstood. It won’t reverse salvation, and despite your insistence, an accurate understanding of the verse can be had from a KJV. It isn’t bad English. If anything, the modern language is lacking and the modern versions serve mostly as crutches for a debilitated language.
And now you know my different opinion that you disagree with but probably won’t change no matter how frustrated you get in your responses.
 

Van

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That is what your statement added up to.

No matter the evidence, every person must still judge the evidence presented for themselves. When someone has a different conclusion, it usually means that they have a different perspective. It doesn’t mean they have a closed mind. It means they have a different mind.
And I don’t think that this is a verse that will send anyone to premature judgment if misunderstood. It won’t reverse salvation, and despite your insistence, an accurate understanding of the verse can be had from a KJV. It isn’t bad English. If anything, the modern language is lacking and the modern versions serve mostly as crutches for a debilitated language.
And now you know my different opinion that you disagree with but probably won’t change no matter how frustrated you get in your responses.
Unbiblical nonsense. People can close their own minds, unwilling to question their own beliefs.

James 1:26 ring a bell? Or how about Proverbs 9:7-9?
 

Ben1445

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Unbiblical nonsense. People can close their own minds, unwilling to question their own beliefs.
That is essentially what I said.
You would like to take the responsibility for those who don’t listen to you? That really is all that is left.
James 1:26 ring a bell? Or how about Proverbs 9:7-9?
Oh yes. The shame is mine. I will leave you alone and avoid a blot.
 
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