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Psuedo-Catholic Protestant Denominations

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  1. 3AngelsMom

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    Well then I think the question is: Can you present doctirines that you know about that are shared by Catholics and Protestants? If not, and all you want to do is debate those doctrines, it is RUDE of you, just like it would be rude of me, to debate those here, in a thread that is for simply stating the doctrines that are similar.

    Actually, I am stating what Catholics have told me. Perhaps you should take it up with them. :rolleyes:
    I have never wondered that.
    A check sum error? Are you an accountant? NOW I know why we are getting on so well! How many tax returns have you done this season? Uh, just as a side note, this is a DEBATE forum. If I couldn't take rebuttle, I would be in the FELLOWSHIP forums. [​IMG]

    Really? That's a first. Although you can probably get the general idea of how I feel about the CC by reading old threads about the you know who of Babylon. ;) If you want to email me, my email is on my profile.

    God Bless
     
    #101 3AngelsMom, Mar 19, 2003
  2. 3AngelsMom

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    I am going to go out on a limb here, the rest of this Board will disagree with that.
    I remember everything I read, see, hear, and feel. I am an elephant.
    If you saw that I said 'if' then what are you whinin' about? :rolleyes:
    I DO, and DID get it. My point is that YOU are placing things INTO my realm of opinion, when they are not there. I don't THINK that Mary is a figure of authority in the CC, I have been TOLD. If you see her differently, then BY ALL MEANS, start a Mary thread, and lets see what you know. But what has been shown to me by other Catholics, and websites that ARE CATHOLIC, is that MARY DOES have a position of authority in the Church. QUEEN means something.

    AGAIN, I NEVER said that Mary was part of the Trinity. So, you trying to convince me that she isn't there, or that you don't think she is there, or that the CC as a whole doesn't think she is there, is a waste of your and my time. OKAY????
    I know. [​IMG]

    Do you get me now?

    God Bless
     
    #102 3AngelsMom, Mar 19, 2003
  3. AITB

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    Well, considering that 'Catholic' means universal, and we CLEARLY know that not EVERYONE in the universe agrees with them, that we DO need to clarify what is UNIQUELY Catholic, and what is foundationally Biblical. Like the Marian doctrines, clearly some of it is Biblical, but you DO NOT see it in the universal Body of Christ. It is uniquely Catholic. Perhaps I should have been specific and said UNIQUELY Catholic. :rolleyes: </font>[/QUOTE]That would have been clearer, yes.

    When you started this thread you evidently did not mean uniquely Catholic when you used the word Catholic since it would make no sense to ask which Protestant doctrine is uniquely Catholic. Obviously the answer is 'none'!

    Therefore, it would have been helpful to be specific when you switched to writing Catholic to mean uniquely Catholic, partway through the thread.

    And now you've also brought up the basic word meaning of 'Catholic' which is, as you said, 'universal'. I'm not sure why you introduced this because if you're not using the word that way, it only adds confusion to mention that that's it's basic meaning.

    And it would be equally strange if that was what I was saying, but since I said nothing of the sort, this is a moot argument.</font>[/QUOTE]It was a simply a comment. Not an argument.

    In my opinion, there was no need for you to point out you didn't say something that I never said you did say.

    Helen/AITB
     
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    But just over two weeks ago (March 3) you posted that you agreed with the SDA statement of belief in the Trinity.

    Anyway, it is not a legitimate excuse for a group to say "Don't blame us for our belief - someone else thought of it first!" Each group is responsible for making sure their own beliefs are valid, irrespective of who first held those beliefs and what their reasoning may have been.

    Helen/AITB
     
    #104 AITB, Mar 19, 2003
  5. 3AngelsMom

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    Yes, Helen, and 3 years ago I was an adulterous, slanderous, lost woman.

    What exactly is your point?

    Your statements do not contradict mine.

    The SDA church DID work it out on their own, just as I have.

    You should recognize sarcasm when you see it.
     
    #105 3AngelsMom, Mar 19, 2003
  6. AITB

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    Are you saying you didn't really agree with the SDA statement of belief in the Trinity on March 3, that you were being sarcastic when you said you agreed?

    Or are you implying that you did change from believing the SDA Trinity statement March 3, to not believing it now?

    I don't know you well enough to know whether your March 3 comment was sarcastic or not.

    Helen/AITB
     
    #106 AITB, Mar 19, 2003
  7. 3AngelsMom

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    Well, considering that 'Catholic' means universal, and we CLEARLY know that not EVERYONE in the universe agrees with them, that we DO need to clarify what is UNIQUELY Catholic, and what is foundationally Biblical. Like the Marian doctrines, clearly some of it is Biblical, but you DO NOT see it in the universal Body of Christ. It is uniquely Catholic. Perhaps I should have been specific and said UNIQUELY Catholic. :rolleyes: </font>[/QUOTE]That would have been clearer, yes.

    When you started this thread you evidently did not mean uniquely Catholic when you used the word Catholic since it would make no sense to ask which Protestant doctrine is uniquely Catholic. Obviously the answer is 'none'!</font>[/QUOTE]Actually the obvious answer has illuded you.

    Here is what I ACTUALLY said:

    "So what about YOUR church?

    Can you think of anything that YOUR church does, or believes that has it's roots in Catholicism?

    Like Lent, or infant baptism, or prayers for the dead, or the immortality of the soul, etc."

    I think that makes it PERFECTLY clear, that the doctrines that I want to know about are the ones that have roots in CATHOLICISM. IF you have a doctrine that came from the bible, it is not FROM Catholicism.

    I even GAVE examples of the KINDS of doctrines I was referring to. You know, the ONES THAT ARE NOT in the Bible.

    It is QUITE apparent that I didn't switch anything. I simply pointed out that you didn't get the intent of the original post. You also didn't get the sarcasm.
    The word Catholic means universal. THEY call themselves that because THEY think they ARE the ONE TRUE CHURCH. I would rather use another name when referring to them, but most would find it offensive. In case you haven't noticed just about every word that they use to describe themselves and their doctrines don't have the same meaning that we use.

    snip.... snip

    I seems that you enjoy going around in circles.

    Oh goodie.

    Are you going to actually ingage in debate or just get all snooty over semantics and grammer?

    If you can't do any better than this, I think we are done.

    God Bless
     
    #107 3AngelsMom, Mar 19, 2003
  8. 3AngelsMom

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    Helen,

    DROP IT.

    The sarcasm was in the post to Charles.

    The TRINITY debate is OVER.

    God Bless
     
    #108 3AngelsMom, Mar 19, 2003
  9. AITB

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    Ok, it's over in this thread, except for this...which you yourself wrote in this thread...

    Yes, and the little cups will say 'stupid-medicine'. All those who drink will IMMEDIATLY understand the Trinity mystery.

    [​IMG]

    God Bless     </font>[/QUOTE]A joke is one thing but don't you think this is rather disrespectful towards those who do believe in the Trinity?

    Helen/AITB
     
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  10. 3AngelsMom

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    Yes, and the little cups will say 'stupid-medicine'. All those who drink will IMMEDIATLY understand the Trinity mystery.

    [​IMG]

    God Bless     </font>[/QUOTE]A joke is one thing but don't you think this is rather disrespectful towards those who do believe in the Trinity?

    Helen/AITB     </font>[/QUOTE]Actually that joke is directed to people who DO NOT believe in the trinity.

    Read it again. The 'medicine' FIXES the stupidity that is the cause of NOT believing in the trinity.

    It is a joke aimed at people like me.

    You know, us stupid people who don't believe in the trinity.

    Sheesh
     
    #110 3AngelsMom, Mar 19, 2003
  11. Charles33

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    AITB - I think she finally actually answered your question...

    She does not believe in the Trinity, a recantation of March 3rd. Now don't you feel beligerent for making her actually answer your one question? See what I mean? I could swear you were trying to put a cat under water. :D
     
    #111 Charles33, Mar 19, 2003
  12. DanielFive

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    [ March 22, 2003, 05:24 PM: Message edited by: enda ]
     
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  13. 3AngelsMom

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    [ March 22, 2003, 05:44 PM: Message edited by: 3AngelsMom ]
     
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  14. 3AngelsMom

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    Charles,
    You are funny.

    She is asking a question that she already knows the answer to. She already knows that I don't believe in the trinity. I made that QUITE clear in the first post of this thread.

    She is asking me that to be antagonistic.

    God Bless
     
    #114 3AngelsMom, Mar 19, 2003
  15. Singer

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    Enda:

    I can't be long as the wife and I are getting in the hot tub
    together tonite...so here goes............

    Bless you for leaving the Catholic Church.....I just spent a miserable
    but interesting and fulfilling year debating with Catholics on another
    board. I started out on a gameplan to find out what the cult members
    that I grew up with actually believe. It was called the "Truth" and we
    were the only ones who are right.

    Until I left .....that is.

    It's becoming easier for me to depict the Holy Spirit in the lives
    of those I encounter and I have to admit that although I don't adhere
    to the doctrines, translations and practices of either the Catholic
    or SDA Churches, there definitely are spirit filled and saved people
    in each of them. ....plus in the cult I grew up in.

    Our friend, 3 Angels Mom has a knowledge of the bible and a fervency
    for souls that surpasses the norm. I'll remain unchurched I'm sure and
    one who does not keep a certain day.

    Worshipping in spirit and truth does not bind me to bondage.
    I'm a rebel.....and a rebel with a cause...the same cause that
    drives 3 Angels Mom and many of the rest of you.

    It's called the Great Commission...."GO and TELL".....we just all
    go about it a little differently, but the message is the same.

    The message is JESUS !!!

    Singer

    p.s. Bathtime ;)
     
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  16. 3AngelsMom

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    [​IMG]
     
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  17. Singer

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    I Now Baptize Me in the name...................


    LOL
     
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  18. 3AngelsMom

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    ...........of Jehovah...

    No wait,......Jesus........

    No wait........Father, Son, and Holy Spirit........

    NO wait, uh.........

    Ok, forget it.

    Be at peace brother

    This is going to hurt.......

    "whosoever will"

    [​IMG]

    There, I said it, are you happy now?????

    [​IMG]


    God Bless
     
    #118 3AngelsMom, Mar 20, 2003
  19. AITB

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    It's best not to jump to conclusions like that about the motives of others.

    In fact, I wasn't asking to be antagonistic. I genuinely wanted to know if/why you changed your mind. But I see you wrote a response about this on the other thread so I'll reply there instead of saying any more here.

    Helen/AITB

    [ March 20, 2003, 06:38 AM: Message edited by: AITB ]
     
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  20. Matt Black

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    3AM, you asked for links, here they are:-

    Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed

    The Definition of Chalcedon

    These are both from my (Baptist) church's website.

    BTW, I'm not sure about you saying that if something is biblical it is by definition not Catholic, or that the Catholic Church is not 'descended' from the Early Church. What do you make of Hans Kung's assertion that Early Catholicism can be found in the NT (particularly the Pastoral Letters)? (see Kung, "The Living Church")

    I don't live near Fairford , but my parents live in Gloucester which is nearby.

    Yours in Christ

    Matt
     
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