DHK Says
No, you can meditate on just about anything. Meditation is not just on God's words.
Transdental Meditation, which involves much meditation is a cult which leads many to demonic oppression, if not demonic possession. The Bible specifically commands us to meditate on His Word. That must be the object of our meditation.
Seth 3 says
His Word is Spirit and His Word is in their hearts already, I don’t see oppression anywhere except in religious circles the bear Christs name. Demonic oppression is seen in scripture through the Pharisees as JESUS defines it adding the YOKE of the law and pointing the finger in JUDGEMENT at others. They sit on MOSES SEAT. ABOVE THE STARS (CHILDREN OF GOD).
DHK says
"The fire of the Holy Spirit," sounds like a convenient Charismatic phrase. There is no fire, only the power that the Holy Spirit makes available to those that are filled with His Spirit, for the purpose of witnessing to others.
Seth3 says
Fire of the Holy Spirit is a SCRIPTURE PHRASE. New covenant is to pour out His Spirit on ALL FLESH, from the LEAST to the GREATEST Jesus DEFINES THESE as those who KEEP and TEACH THE COMMANDMENTS and those WHO BREAK the commandments and teach others to do so. Open your book and LOOK.
DHK says
"My higher self" is humanistic psychological babbling. It has no place in the Bible. "Let this mind be in you which is also in Christ Jesus." Christ comes by the power of His Holy Spirit and dwells in our "heart" which is essentially another word for the mind.
Seth3 says,
Who cares how THEY describe it? I don’t judge them. I agree The MIND OF CHRIST
DHK says,
"It is no longer I but Christ that liveth in me." The reference is Gal.2:20, a reference to those that die to Christ every day, live a life of self-denial, self-sacrifice, care not for themselves, but put others and Christ before themselves.
Seth3 says,
Yes its called walking IN LOVE considering others BETTER then yourself.
DHK,
This is one of the biggest excuses for terminating one's "search for God," if you call it that, or for attending church, that there is. If you make the excuse that others in the church are hypocrites, then you have just made yourself one by not attending and pretending to be religious yourself. That is the epitomy of religious hypocrisy. If you were truly spiritual you would stay in the church and make a difference, do something about it. Lame excuses are unacceptable.
Seth3 says,
My search for the Lord was much more fruitful when I left the building, their voices were becoming louder than His. Jesus said His sheep would not listen to a stranger and they would run. YOU yourself stated in another post that church attendence isn’t nessessary, change your mind AGAIN DHK?
You cant make a difference in that system theres no freedom in it. You take a seat listen to a sermon tied together with mans wisdom and you leave. God makes the difference I individual hearts.
DHK says
God's ordained institutions in this day and age is the local church. He doesn't change the Bible or His way of doing things just for a bunch of complainers. Your theology is way off.
Seth3 says,
Jesus said the Father seeks those who worship in Spirit and Truth not in places, He said neither here nor there. I do not regard holy days or Sabbaths I see them as Spiritual inner fulfillments, if you enjoy listening and giving sermons your free to enjoy them. I don’t see real fellowship in it. I see the blessedness in where two or three are gathered.
DHK says
God is righteous.
Seth3 says,
We finally AGREE on something.
DHK says
His named was blasphemed among both Jews and Gentiles alike. Any time there was sin, his name was blashemed. God did not justify the Gentiles for their sin. He condemned them. Paul demonstrated that both Jews and Gentiles were under sin. If you study the Book of Romans, Paul demonstrates in the first chapter how all the Gentiles are all under sin. In the second chapter he demonstrates how all the Jews are under sin. In the third chapter he demonstrates that both Jews and Gentiles are under sin.
Seth3 says,
Romans 2:24 For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles THROUGH YOU, as it is written.
Romans 2:14-15 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, DO by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a LAW UNTO THEMSELVES: Which SHEW the work of the law written in their hearts, their CONSCIENCE also bearing witness, and [their] thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another
Theres the faith WITHOUT THE LAW revealed as the Law testifies of.
As Isaiah Said He was found by those who did not seek Him agreeing with scripture that there are none that seek Him. But was found by those that sought not. Even Christ says you search the scriptures because you think that IN THEM you have eternal life. These bear witness to ME (The Word in your heart already) yet you refuse to come to me that you might have life. These were those under the law to which is testified against in Romans 2. Thinking they were a light to the blind those who had “the embodiment of the truth” same thing today. It nullifies the New Covenant that no longer will man say to his neighbor, “Know the Lord” for ALL shall know me.
Under the law is knowledge of sin only you cannot know God under it. Under IT is the curse, same curse the Pharisees thought OTHERS were under but THEY were the accursed ones (God is righteous).
DHK says
More humanistic psycological babbling--"they call a higher consciionciounsess," but the bible says nothing of the kind. The Bible does mention the mind of Christ. "Let this mind be in you which is also in Christ Jesus." But it is not an automatic transaction. In fact the statement is in the form of command, which is so put that it signifies that something of self must be sacrificed.
Seth3 says,
What?
DHK says,
"The traditions of men make others blaspheme God."
What traditions are you talking of? First off no man, no tradition can make any man blaspheme God. One blasphemes God on his own volition, out of his own will. He chooses to do so; no one forces him to do. It his choice out of his own wicked heart. Do not blame sinful actions on other people, other traditions, etc. People must be held responsible for their own actions.
Seth3 says,
Again… Romans 2:24 For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles THROUGH YOU, as it is written.
Its always the preist or levites (late for bible study) walking pass the injured guy on the road, and the good Samaritan helping him (no bible under his arm) just the love in his heart… Basically THEY SAY, “Lord? When did we see you? The wicked say, “When did we NOT SEE YOU?”
DHK
What are you calling our birthright to share in, and where does it say that Paul says so??
Seth3 says
I think if you read the New testament the pages are filled with what is ours in Christ. HE is our Reward as He was Abrahams reward. Christ IN US is not just a saying. He IS COME in the FLESH. IN US. As HE IS so are we IN THIS WORLD. The Day dawns IN US. The Eternal day. The Divine Nature of Gods love should be glorified in you by His expression of His love in you toward others. Entrusted with the words of God through the Spirit (mind of Christ) given to us. Everything is YES and Amen to us in the Lord, not yes and no. Led by the Spirit, fellowship with God Himself. Eternal life is not , “when I get to heaven” its TO KNOW GOD HERE AND NOW. Maybe THAT’S what the world wants but the church says No not YET its UP THERE. Maybe they ACTUALLY BELIEVE the WORD is NEAR them or IN THEM as Paul said, maybe they don’t have the “religious jargon” but the life. I see more love in them. I’m told by scripture to know others by their fruits.
DHK says
Christ died for our sins, in particular the penalty of our sins, not for our minds.
Seth3 says,
I agree but it was OUR MINDS (Our natural minds) which were at EMNITY with Him which cannot by divine design RECEIVE the things of the Spirit. Thus PHARISEES seed of Cain who killed the Lord because they were under the Curse of the law (Tree of the knowledge of good and evil) was as Cain who SERVED GOD but not by the Spirit of Truth but by the WORKS of HIS HANDS He was the outworking of the Law expressed in the picture.
I had said earlier
Its SCRIPTURE that we change by beholding Him. And when (in our experience) we see Him (who is invisible) we shall see Him as He is for as HE IS SO ARE WE IN THIS WORLD.
To which DHK replied
1John 3:1-3 only applies to us when we get to Heaven, not on this earth. We shall see him as he is, not on this earth, but in Heaven, or when He comes again. We can't see someone who is invisible.
I say,
IN THIS WORLD, because TRUE FAITH sees THAT which is UNSEEN. ***IN THIS WORLD*** (it does not say one day up in heaven) His Kingdom come and His WILL BE DONE on EARTH as it is in Heaven. Your twisting scripture. Faith in what is seen is not faith at all. One can indeed see Him who IS invisible Abraham did. No one can “see God” at anytime it’s a paradox.
1John 4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.
Judgement begins with the house of God Now is the time of judgement. God measures back to us now… Judge not LEST you be Judged. We are tested NOW. His Fire tests everthing, our faith, our works. They can be burned but we saved YET By FIRE. Pull others out of the PRESENT FIRE hating the GARMENT STAINED WITH FLESH (SELF RIGHTOUSNESS)
DHK says,
Every believer IS (present tense) a partaker of his Divine nature. We have the Holy Spirit dwelling within ourselves.
I say,
YES IF THEY HAVE THE SPIRIT and LOVE showing themselves AS PARTAKERS of HIS divine nature. Seeing Him as HE IS= LOVE and His love is EXPRESSED THROUGH THOSE who behold Him as SUCH and REFLECT this to the world.
Its not a FORM OF GODLINESS DENYING THE POWER OF GOD. The only way the power of God is severed from ones experience is UNDER THE LAW. Which is as an IMAGE OF GOLD (Faith) or a FORM of GODLINESS but has NOW POWER.
The power of an indestructible life is the life of LOVE against which the fires of Judgement under the law have NO POWER OVER YOU.
God bless
Seth3
