Jesus either was telling the truth, lied, or misspoke!
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Purgatory is mentioned in the New Testament!
- Thread starter Edin Michael
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Uh excuse me. We do not wait to see if we will find out if we will enter the Kingdom of God. Scripture is clear:
1Jn 5:13 I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life.
We do not go into judgment wondering. Scripture says we know now.
If there was only heaven and hell, Jesus would have stopped here. But we find him going on to talk about two more types of slaves. The third kind of slave “knew what his master wanted, but did not prepare himself or do what was wanted”. As for the fourth slave, he “did not know and did what deserved a beating”. It should be noted that both the third and the fourth did not abuse others (beat other slaves) or abuse himself (get drunk) like the second one but where just not ready for the master’s return. Both of them receive a severe and a light beating correspondingly, a temporary punishment, but in the end, they are not cast out of the master’s household.
Is not Jesus talking about a temporary state of punishment - Purgatory?[/QUOTE]
No, what puzzles me is why you would think it does? What reason would we need a temporary state of punishment? Is the sacrifice of Christ not efficient to cover all sins? If that is what you believe then you believe so in contradiction to scripture.
Eph 2:1 And you were dead in the trespasses and sins
Eph 2:2 in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience—
Eph 2:3 among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind.
Eph 2:4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us,
Eph 2:5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved—
Is this sacrifice and grace of God insufficient to redeem us from all our sins, even as believers?
What did make those believers who are ready, ready? Were they perfect? Or were they also imperfect as those who are not ready?
What is your standard, from scripture, for being ready and acceptable to God?
We Baptist hold that scripture is clear on this and that our being ready is based on faith in the finished work of Christ.
No, what puzzles me is why you would think it does? What reason would we need a temporary state of punishment? Is the sacrifice of Christ not efficient to cover all sins? If that is what you believe then you believe so in contradiction to scripture.
Eph 2:1 And you were dead in the trespasses and sins
Eph 2:2 in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience—
Eph 2:3 among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind.
Eph 2:4 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us,
Eph 2:5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved—
Is this sacrifice and grace of God insufficient to redeem us from all our sins, even as believers?
What did make those believers who are ready, ready? Were they perfect? Or were they also imperfect as those who are not ready?
What is your standard, from scripture, for being ready and acceptable to God?
We Baptist hold that scripture is clear on this and that our being ready is based on faith in the finished work of Christ.[/QUOTE]
Bottom line is that Jesus saw that salvation was finished/accomplished in full on that Cross, so why shouldn't we?
Jesus bore my sins in His body on the tree. 1 Peter 2:24
You are only a youngster. Ellen from our church celebrated her 100 birthday on Sunday and she can walk better that many of the younger ones.
Walpole
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And yet you will still suffer death. Why?
---> Because you still have to pay the temporal punishment due to your sin.
Well God bless her, that is great!
It's interesting how Catholics have this strange notion of "abuse self" = sin. Sometimes it syncretically bleeds into Baptists when Catholics convert. Getting drunk in this story is about a person having an opportunity to do what what God wants but seeking his own way instead.
One of the mistaken beliefs I had as an early Christian was that everyone was going to be "equal" in heaven. That simply isn't the case. There will be those who will rule over others. What Jesus is talking about is how many will find out that their position in Heaven is not the same as it was on Earth. Some will serve as the lowest servants trusted with almost nothing and barely making it to heaven with their soul alone. Others will be trusted to rule over others and be trusted with many things.