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Putin’s blasphemous version of Christianity is anti-Christ

FollowTheWay

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Personally, I have never had doubts about the fact that the former KGB officer is a professional liar and murderer, and his pretence of converting to Christianity, without even a hint of repenting his bloodstained KGB record, was a rather hasty disguise.

Now, at last, the daylight has broken through. Putin has cast off his mask of a Christian prince. He addresses his troops as “comrades”, ordering them to re-take Ukraine as a stray administrative unit of the USSR. The church bells ring in Ukrainian towns to sound the alarm against incoming enemy strikes. Tearful Russian prisoners of war recall, on camera, how they were forced into Ukraine by threats of execution, or tricked into invading on the pretence of it being only a training exercise. Ukrainian heroes sacrifice their lives to stop advancing tanks with their bare hands.

It no longer matters that Putin once indulged in some blasphemous political flirting with Christianity. His version of Christianity is too different from Christ’s. He is prepared to be a patron of the Church because having a ‘strong’ church is useful for an empire. But there are conditions attached to that: there may be only one church, subject to strict hierarchical discipline not dissimilar to Putin’s secular power structures. That church must obey and serve the secular government. Christ is permitted to be there, but only as a loyal helper to Caesar. For example, when 100 brave Russian Orthodox priests signed an open letter urging Christian charity towards imprisoned opposition protestors in 2019, the iron fist of the ‘loyal’ church hierarchy promptly came down upon many of the signatories.

It is in this context that Patriarch Kirill of Moscow spoke this week of cursing the “evil forces” which resist the Russian offensive in Ukraine. His sermon was deeply reminiscent of the worst examples of the subjugation of the Church to Stalin and other secular tyrants.

Just substitute Trump for Putin in this description and you have an explanation of what's been happening here in America for the last 5 years.
 

Bible Thumpin n Gun Totin

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Christ is permitted to be there, but only as a loyal helper to Caesar.

Wow, that's still a better position than Christianity in the West now, where Christ isn't even welcome there at all. Loyal helper to Caesar or not.

I find it extremely refreshing to find a nation like Russia standing against all of the modern confusion on gender and such. It's great to watch someone with common sense just say "NO" to the sexually deranged and not care how much they whine.
 

AustinC

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Wow, that's still a better position than Christianity in the West now, where Christ isn't even welcome there at all. Loyal helper to Caesar or not.

I find it extremely refreshing to find a nation like Russia standing against all of the modern confusion on gender and such. It's great to watch someone with common sense just say "NO" to the sexually deranged and not care how much they whine.
Go live there and tell us how refreshing you feel.
I have missionary friends who tell a much different story.
Therefore I find your post ignorant in every way.
 

Bible Thumpin n Gun Totin

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Go live there and tell us how refreshing you feel.
I have missionary friends who tell a much different story.
Therefore I find your post ignorant in every way.
If I lived in a Liberal area of the U.S, and I couldn't move to a Non-Kooky part of the U.S for some reason I likely would move there.

Fortunately I am a citizen of the State of North Carolina. And the state of North Carolina (and my county particularly) is leaps and bounds ahead of Russia. The same cannot be said for states to the North of me unfortunately, except for WV and KY.
 

Squire Robertsson

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BTnGT, I've been associated with the NorCal Russian\FSU Evangelical Christian-Baptist emigre community for over 30 years. So, I think I can speak with some authority on this topic. But, you are looking at matters with rose-colored glasses.
 

AustinC

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If I lived in a Liberal area of the U.S, and I couldn't move to a Non-Kooky part of the U.S for some reason I likely would move there.

Fortunately I am a citizen of the State of North Carolina. And the state of North Carolina (and my county particularly) is leaps and bounds ahead of Russia. The same cannot be said for states to the North of me unfortunately, except for WV and KY.
You live in a fantasy world of delusion dear sir.
 

Bible Thumpin n Gun Totin

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BTnGT, I've been associated with the NorCal Russian\FSU Evangelical Christian-Baptist emigre community for over 30 years. So, I think I can speak with some authority on this topic. But, you are looking at matters with rose-colored glasses.
No rose colored glasses at all.

Putin is an authoritarian, he rules with an iron fist, he throws undesirables and political rivals in jail for indefinite time, he is an ex-KGB agent who likely committed heinous crimes in the USSR, Putin works primarily for Putin and denominations that aren't Russian Orthodox are persecuted. Am I missing anything?

There's a bunch of us Evangelicals with no "home".
On one side we have the West where immorality is worse than Sodom and Gomorrah and the powers-that-be tell you what morality is.
On the other side we have a power hungry autocrat that (for whatever reasons) actually supports Biblical morality and isn't afraid to say so.

So what do you expect us to do? I'm certainly not able to side with the West anymore. Putin scores a 1/100 on the Bible test and the West scores a 0/100.

C.S Lewis said that being ruled by a robber-baron (Putin) is better than being ruled by those who think they know what's best for you (The West). He is right.
 

timtofly

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Just substitute Trump for Putin in this description and you have an explanation of what's been happening here in America for the last 5 years.
Just substitute the democratic positions of the cold war era for Putin. The democratic party changed the church over the last 70 years and bent it to serve the state more than Republicans. While at the same time silencing those behind the pulpet from preaching against their democratic pagan belief system.
 

FollowTheWay

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Just substitute the democratic positions of the cold war era for Putin. The democratic party changed the church over the last 70 years and bent it to serve the state more than Republicans. While at the same time silencing those behind the pulpet from preaching against their democratic pagan belief system.
Once again you're using the tactic of blaming your enemy for what you're guilty of doing. The Republican party has obviously teamed up with white evangelical Christians against Democrats. It's ridiculous to argue otherwise. By doing so, white evangelical Christians have sold out the Church for political power. Good luck with handling your hallucinations.
 

FollowTheWay

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No rose colored glasses at all.

Putin is an authoritarian, he rules with an iron fist, he throws undesirables and political rivals in jail for indefinite time, he is an ex-KGB agent who likely committed heinous crimes in the USSR, Putin works primarily for Putin and denominations that aren't Russian Orthodox are persecuted. Am I missing anything?

There's a bunch of us Evangelicals with no "home".
On one side we have the West where immorality is worse than Sodom and Gomorrah and the powers-that-be tell you what morality is.
On the other side we have a power hungry autocrat that (for whatever reasons) actually supports Biblical morality and isn't afraid to say so.

So what do you expect us to do? I'm certainly not able to side with the West anymore. Putin scores a 1/100 on the Bible test and the West scores a 0/100.

C.S Lewis said that being ruled by a robber-baron (Putin) is better than being ruled by those who think they know what's best for you (The West). He is right.

Move to Russia then.
 

FollowTheWay

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No rose colored glasses at all.

Putin is an authoritarian, he rules with an iron fist, he throws undesirables and political rivals in jail for indefinite time, he is an ex-KGB agent who likely committed heinous crimes in the USSR, Putin works primarily for Putin and denominations that aren't Russian Orthodox are persecuted. Am I missing anything?

There's a bunch of us Evangelicals with no "home".
On one side we have the West where immorality is worse than Sodom and Gomorrah and the powers-that-be tell you what morality is.
On the other side we have a power hungry autocrat that (for whatever reasons) actually supports Biblical morality and isn't afraid to say so.

So what do you expect us to do? I'm certainly not able to side with the West anymore. Putin scores a 1/100 on the Bible test and the West scores a 0/100.

C.S Lewis said that being ruled by a robber-baron (Putin) is better than being ruled by those who think they know what's best for you (The West). He is right.
Christians always have a home, the Kingdom of God. Or have you rejected that too?
 

timtofly

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Once again you're using the tactic of blaming your enemy for what you're guilty of doing. The Republican party has obviously teamed up with white evangelical Christians against Democrats. It's ridiculous to argue otherwise. By doing so, white evangelical Christians have sold out the Church for political power. Good luck with handling your hallucinations.
Are you denying the church is not in bed with the democrats?

It was the church who wanted legal abortions, not the world. The world could care less about living righteous before God. The world only caters to their desires. It takes the church to go directly against God and ease their own guilt in the way the world is run.
 

FollowTheWay

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Are you denying the church is not in bed with the democrats?

It was the church who wanted legal abortions, not the world. The world could care less about living righteous before God. The world only caters to their desires. It takes the church to go directly against God and ease their own guilt in the way the world is run.
As I mentioned specifically, I'm talking about the white evangelical church largely composed of the SBC not all Christian churches in all countries. Is that what you are talking about?
 

dad2

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It was the church who wanted legal abortions, not the world..
Any and all 'churches' that support sacrificing babies are not God's in any way. It would be one thing for a woman to have made a mistake and truly repent. It is another thing for a nation or organization to engage and promote such murder. What some countries such as the US currently practice and preach has crossed the red line of what God can allow the wicked to do as far as I can see. Hence the changing world. We know the direction it is going and will go. We know the final outcomes. At this point then, it is not a matter of which nation of two sides at war are 'the good guys' or not. Firstly there is so much planted lies and propaganda that it is probably impossible to sort out the truth. Both sides in this case, as it was with Germany and the US, claim God is on their side. I always used to wonder about that, how God could be on both sides at once, blessing both armies. I decided He was not on either side, and that the carnage and war was not what He wanted. That is why I would have been a draft dodger should it have been required in my younger days.
Who here can say God is actually on the one side of this latest war??
 

timtofly

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As I mentioned specifically, I'm talking about the white evangelical church largely composed of the SBC not all Christian churches in all countries. Is that what you are talking about?
No, I am talking about the church. Not people's denominational labels.
 

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Personally, I have never had doubts about the fact that the former KGB officer is a professional liar and murderer, and his pretence of converting to Christianity, without even a hint of repenting his bloodstained KGB record, was a rather hasty disguise.

Now, at last, the daylight has broken through. Putin has cast off his mask of a Christian prince. He addresses his troops as “comrades”, ordering them to re-take Ukraine as a stray administrative unit of the USSR. The church bells ring in Ukrainian towns to sound the alarm against incoming enemy strikes. Tearful Russian prisoners of war recall, on camera, how they were forced into Ukraine by threats of execution, or tricked into invading on the pretence of it being only a training exercise. Ukrainian heroes sacrifice their lives to stop advancing tanks with their bare hands.

It no longer matters that Putin once indulged in some blasphemous political flirting with Christianity. His version of Christianity is too different from Christ’s. He is prepared to be a patron of the Church because having a ‘strong’ church is useful for an empire. But there are conditions attached to that: there may be only one church, subject to strict hierarchical discipline not dissimilar to Putin’s secular power structures. That church must obey and serve the secular government. Christ is permitted to be there, but only as a loyal helper to Caesar. For example, when 100 brave Russian Orthodox priests signed an open letter urging Christian charity towards imprisoned opposition protestors in 2019, the iron fist of the ‘loyal’ church hierarchy promptly came down upon many of the signatories.

It is in this context that Patriarch Kirill of Moscow spoke this week of cursing the “evil forces” which resist the Russian offensive in Ukraine. His sermon was deeply reminiscent of the worst examples of the subjugation of the Church to Stalin and other secular tyrants.

Just substitute Trump for Putin in this description and you have an explanation of what's been happening here in America for the last 5 years.

were you there in eternity when God wrote the names of His people in the Lamb's Book of Life ? Cause you seem to be so sure Putin is not a Christian, which to me, is not about conduct or affiliation or denomination, but about being among those God, in Christ, redeemed, unconditionally.
What if I tell you, that Scripture seems to indicate that Cyrus was one of God's own, outside of Israel ?
What happens if when you get to heaven, you find not only Putin, and Trump, but that axe-murdering woman from Texas ? Or (Lawd ha' mercy), Oprah ?
Are you gonna shout: stop the bus, lemme off ?
 

FollowTheWay

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were you there in eternity when God wrote the names of His people in the Lamb's Book of Life ? Cause you seem to be so sure Putin is not a Christian, which to me, is not about conduct or affiliation or denomination, but about being among those God, in Christ, redeemed, unconditionally.
What if I tell you, that Scripture seems to indicate that Cyrus was one of God's own, outside of Israel ?
What happens if when you get to heaven, you find not only Putin, and Trump, but that axe-murdering woman from Texas ? Or (Lawd ha' mercy), Oprah ?
Are you gonna shout: stop the bus, lemme off ?
were you there in eternity when God wrote the names of His people in the Lamb's Book of Life ? Cause you seem to be so sure Putin is not a Christian, which to me, is not about conduct or affiliation or denomination, but about being among those God, in Christ, redeemed, unconditionally.
What if I tell you, that Scripture seems to indicate that Cyrus was one of God's own, outside of Israel ?
What happens if when you get to heaven, you find not only Putin, and Trump, but that axe-murdering woman from Texas ? Or (Lawd ha' mercy), Oprah ?
Are you gonna shout: stop the bus, lemme off ?

[Mat 7:17-20 KJV] 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither [can] a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
 
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