Putin’s blasphemous version of Christianity is anti-Christ

[FollowTheWay]

No, I am talking about the church. Not people's denominational labels.

God's Church universal is the Kingdom of God. You claim that the Democrats control the Kingdom of God? Think about what you're saying. it's totally ridiculous. You need to accept the true gospel and not the Republican false gospel.

 

[timtofly]

God's Church universal is the Kingdom of God. You claim that the Democrats control the Kingdom of God? Think about what you're saying. it's totally ridiculous. You need to accept the true gospel and not the Republican false gospel.

Once again. You are splitting hairs your self over a "true" church and a "false" church. You decide if the church plays the harlot, at what point is the harlot no longer the church?

Are you saying the church cannot play the harlot? How can the world be the harlot if the world was never the church to begin with? It is the harlot that enjoys the wickedness of this world. It is the church that is the harlot that enjoys the wickedness of this world. It is not about human made labels, but the church.

You can be the one to tell this modern day harlot they are no longer the church, but don't leave any one out just because you gave them labels, and they are your friends. When the democrats start overturning their own wicked laws, then we will know there was a revival in the church.

 

[dad2]

[Mat 7:17-20 KJV] 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither [can] a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

The same is true then for Biden and his gang, Trudeau etc. By recognizing that war is evil we can point a finger at those devastating a country. The other four fingers are pointed right back, since millions of babies are murdered each year in a war on life and God and children.

 

[FollowTheWay]

The same is true then for Biden and his gang, Trudeau etc. By recognizing that war is evil we can point a finger at those devastating a country. The other four fingers are pointed right back, since millions of babies are murdered each year in a war on life and God and children.

This passage of scripture also applies to YOU. The Lord will explain it to you at the Final Judgement.

 

[FollowTheWay]

If you bel

Once again. You are splitting hairs your self over a "true" church and a "false" church. You decide if the church plays the harlot, at what point is the harlot no longer the church?

Are you saying the church cannot play the harlot? How can the world be the harlot if the world was never the church to begin with? It is the harlot that enjoys the wickedness of this world. It is the church that is the harlot that enjoys the wickedness of this world. It is not about human made labels, but the church.

You can be the one to tell this modern day harlot they are no longer the church, but don't leave any one out just because you gave them labels, and they are your friends. When the democrats start overturning their own wicked laws, then we will know there was a revival in the church.

If you think Christ's universal Church is "the harlot" I suggest you rethink your beliefs.

 

[dad2]

This passage of scripture also applies to YOU. The Lord will explain it to you at the Final Judgement.

He will explain your opinion to me at the judgment for unbelievers? Good luck with that.

 

[FollowTheWay]

He will explain your opinion to me at the judgment for unbelievers? Good luck with that.

There's only one Judgement and everyone who ever lived will stand in front of the Lord.

 

[dad2]

There's only one Judgement and everyone who ever lived will stand in front of the Lord.

The saved get rewards at the seat of Christ long before that. Maybe keep your religious nonsense to yourself.

 

[FollowTheWay]

The saved get rewards at the seat of Christ long before that. Maybe keep your religious nonsense to yourself.

Good luck with your religion.

[Mat 25:31-33 KJV] 31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth [his] sheep from the goats: 33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

Who are the sheep in this description of the Final Judgement?

 

[dad2]

Good luck with your religion.

[Mat 25:31-33 KJV] 31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth [his] sheep from the goats: 33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

Who are the sheep in this description of the Final Judgement?

The final judgment is after 1000 years. We probably leave here before the Tribulation. Go figure.

 

[FollowTheWay]

The final judgment is after 1000 years. We probably leave here before the Tribulation. Go figure.

Interpretations of Daniel and Revelation are not what your whole concept of salvation and judgment should be based. Actually, the prophesy in Daniel refer to Christ's Second Coming not to the end times. Revelation is full of symbolism which is difficult to interpret. It's far better to base your understanding of judgment on the words of Jesus himself. When did He ever talk about returning TWICE? Never. There goes the theory about the Millenium. As to when He was returning, Jesus said even He did not know when that would occur. Only the Father. The Bema seat judgment, the account in Mat 25 and the account at the end of Revelation all refer to the same event, THE FINAL JUDGEMENT. All of the say that we will be judged based on our faithfulness in following Jesus. That's why Paul stresses the importance of finishing the race and perserving until the end. Look at all 3 descriptions.

1. Bema Seat - 2 COR 5:9-11 - [2Co 5:10 NKJV] 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things [done] in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.

According to what he has done.

2. The Last Judgment - MAT 25:31-46

[Mat 25:31-40 NKJV] 31 "When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. 32 "All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides [his] sheep from the goats. 33 "And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 "Then the King will say to those on His right hand, 'Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 'for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; 36 'I [was] naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.' 37 "Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed [You], or thirsty and give [You] drink? 38 'When did we see You a stranger and take [You] in, or naked and clothe [You]? 39 'Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?' 40 "And the King will answer and say to them, 'Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did [it] to one of the least of these My brethren, you did [it] to Me.'

3. Great White Throne judgment - REV 20:11-15

[Rev 20:11-15 NKJV] 11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is [the Book] of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. 14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

The dead were judged according to their works.

 

[dad2]

Interpretations of Daniel and Revelation are not what your whole concept of salvation and judgment should be based.

Who says I do that or that if I did what you say is right anyhow?

Actually, the prophesy in Daniel refer to Christ's Second Coming not to the end times.

Maybe clue the rest of us in on what you are talking about.

Revelation is full of symbolism which is difficult to interpret.

I don't believe you.

It's far better to base your understanding of judgment on the words of Jesus himself. When did He ever talk about returning TWICE?

So now you launch into a pre trib debate?

Never.

Never in your understanding.

There goes the theory about the Millenium.

So now you apparently want to wave away the 1000 year reign of Christ as well. Hard to believe people like you still have the gall to pretend authority talking about Scripture.

As to when He was returning, Jesus said even He did not know when that would occur. Only the Father. The Bema seat judgment, the account in Mat 25 and the account at the end of Revelation all refer to the same event, THE FINAL JUDGEMENT.

No. The 1000 years after which the dead are raised never even started by the return of Jesus. Why try teaching what you have no clue about?

All of the say that we will be judged based on our faithfulness in following Jesus. That's why Paul stresses the importance of finishing the race and perserving until the end. Look at all 3 descriptions.

We are already judged saved. The rewards have zero to do with that. Again, stop pretending you can teach anything.

1. Bema Seat - 2 COR 5:9-11 - [2Co 5:10 NKJV] 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things [done] in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.

Right, nothing to do with salvation.

2. The Last Judgment - MAT 25:31-46

[Mat 25:31-40 NKJV] 31 "When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. 32 "All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides [his] sheep from the goats. 33 "And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 "Then the King will say to those on His right hand, 'Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 'for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; 36 'I [was] naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.' 37 "Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed [You], or thirsty and give [You] drink? 38 'When did we see You a stranger and take [You] in, or naked and clothe [You]? 39 'Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?' 40 "And the King will answer and say to them, 'Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did [it] to one of the least of these My brethren, you did [it] to Me.'

Rather than paste verses tell us what you think they mean.

3. Great White Throne judgment - REV 20:11-15

[Rev 20:11-15 NKJV] 11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is [the Book] of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. 14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

The dead were judged according to their works.

Right, after the 1000 years are over. Nothing to do with us.

 

[FollowTheWay]

Who says I do that or that if I did what you say is right anyhow?

Maybe clue the rest of us in on what you are talking about.

I don't believe you.



So now you launch into a pre trib debate?
Never in your understanding.

So now you apparently want to wave away the 1000 year reign of Christ as well. Hard to believe people like you still have the gall to pretend authority talking about Scripture.



No. The 1000 years after which the dead are raised never even started by the return of Jesus. Why try teaching what you have no clue about?
We are already judged saved. The rewards have zero to do with that. Again, stop pretending you can teach anything.

Right, nothing to do with salvation.

Rather than paste verses tell us what you think they mean.
Right, after the 1000 years are over. Nothing to do with us.

I challenge you to argue from scripture as I did.

 

[dad2]

I challenge you to argue from scripture as I did.

The verses you posted were unconnected to your opinions. Verses are not the problem is is what you think they say. Yes Jesus will hand out rewards and crowns according to our works. That is nothing to do with a final judgment when dead are raised. We are raised st the Rapture. There is 1000 years before the white throne judgment.

Revelation 20:7
And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Revelation 20:8
And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Revelation 20:9
And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
Revelation 20:10
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Revelation 20:11
And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Revelation 20:12
And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

One bible basic is not to confuse the living with the dead.

 

[timtofly]

If you bel

If you think Christ's universal Church is "the harlot" I suggest you rethink your beliefs.

Is your point that there are two totally separate churches in existence?

 

[FollowTheWay]

Is your point that there are two totally separate churches in existence?

There is one true church. There are many denominations and local churches. All of those who are true Christians are a member of the one true church aka the Kingdom of God.
Professing Christians who actually either don't follow Jesus or put something else like power, money, politics or a country above Him.

 

[timtofly]

There is one true church. There are many denominations and local churches. All of those who are true Christians are a member of the one true church aka the Kingdom of God.
Professing Christians who actually either don't follow Jesus or put something else like power, money, politics or a country above Him.

So only this one true church can play the harlot? There is no understudy, tasked with the job?

 

[FollowTheWay]

Interpretations of Daniel and Revelation are not what your whole concept of salvation and judgment should be based. Actually, the prophesy in Daniel refer to Christ's Second Coming not to the end times. Revelation is full of symbolism which is difficult to interpret. It's far better to base your understanding of judgment on the words of Jesus himself. When did He ever talk about returning TWICE? Never. There goes the theory about the Millenium. As to when He was returning, Jesus said even He did not know when that would occur. Only the Father. The Bema seat judgment, the account in Mat 25 and the account at the end of Revelation all refer to the same event, THE FINAL JUDGEMENT. All of the say that we will be judged based on our faithfulness in following Jesus. That's why Paul stresses the importance of finishing the race and perserving until the end. Look at all 3 descriptions.

1. Bema Seat - 2 COR 5:9-11 - [2Co 5:10 NKJV] 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things [done] in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.

According to what he has done.

2. The Last Judgment - MAT 25:31-46

[Mat 25:31-40 NKJV] 31 "When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. 32 "All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides [his] sheep from the goats. 33 "And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 "Then the King will say to those on His right hand, 'Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 'for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; 36 'I [was] naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.' 37 "Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed [You], or thirsty and give [You] drink? 38 'When did we see You a stranger and take [You] in, or naked and clothe [You]? 39 'Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?' 40 "And the King will answer and say to them, 'Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did [it] to one of the least of these My brethren, you did [it] to Me.'

3. Great White Throne judgment - REV 20:11-15

[Rev 20:11-15 NKJV] 11 Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is [the Book] of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works. 14 Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

The dead were judged according to their works.

I made a mistake in this. Daniel refers to Chtist's first coming not the second.

 

[FollowTheWay]

So only this one true church can play the harlot? There is no understudy, tasked with the job?

I never accepted the idea that the church would play the role of the harlot. The Church will be the bride of Christ.