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Putin's new amendments revere God, ban same sex marriages

church mouse guy

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1. Trump is trying to save NATO but the deadbeat Europeans refuse to contribute the amount that they promised to pay.

2. The Dems have been so sympathetic to Russia since Franklin Delano Roosevelt that Obama promised them concessions in his second term and the Clintons took about $150 million from Putin. Sanders honeymooned in the Soviet Union and is a pure communist and may yet be the Dem nominee.
 

FollowTheWay

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TDS. Know it, breathe it, learn it. love it live it.

Well think it through - what would be the best way for Vlad to control Trump even more? First thing to is to ban SSM and add references to God in the Russian constitution? Should go without saying.
This has allowed me to make an interesting discovery. Putin is using religion to increase support for his rule in the same way that Trump is doing here.
In neither case is their belief real. It's being used to control their people. I didn't realize that. But in Russia the people are starting to catch on.

Why Orthodox Christians are losing faith in Putin
Why Orthodox Christians are losing faith in Putin

MOSCOW — As Vladimir Putin prepared to return to the Kremlin for a third term of office in 2012, Patriarch Kirill, the powerful head of the Russian Orthodox Church, described the ex-KGB officer’s rule as a “miracle of God.”

The patriarch’s comments, made during a pre-election televised meeting with Putin, were a stark illustration, critics said at the time, of the erosion of the separation of church and state, as stipulated by Russia’s much-abused post-Soviet constitution. Over the following years, Putin, who professes a deep Orthodox belief, would shift to ultra-conservatism, positioning himself as a defender of traditional Christian values.

Flash forward to 2019, and while the institution of the Russian Orthodox Church remains broadly loyal to the country’s secular authorities, the Kremlin’s relations with some grassroots believers — once viewed as a bedrock of support for Putin — are increasingly tense.

Not only did Orthodox Christians make up a significant number of the scores of protesters who took to the streets in pro-democracy protests across Russia this year; many of them openly cited their faith as grounds for taking action.

“I joined the protests this summer due to my religious beliefs,” said Elena Morgunova, a 27-year-old financial services worker in Moscow. “Jesus Christ said, ‘Love one another as I have loved you’ and he died on the cross for us. You just cannot be indifferent when you see people suffering, when you see unfair court judgments.”

Their willingness to join the pro-democracy rallies has put religious Russians in the cross-hairs of the wider crackdown on opposition figures. It has also prompted an unprecedented response from individual religious leaders themselves, who are increasingly putting their heads above the parapet to defend the values they associate with their beliefs and which they see as being violated by the Russian authorities.

“Any person can come to faith,” said Minyaylo. “But we identify a tree by its fruits. And the fruits of any actions by Putin and his inner circle make one thing clear — they are not disciples of Christ. They are either deceiving themselves, or others.”

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In America there are also Christian groups which disagree with the "Evangelical Christianity" of Trump. Sojourners is one good example as well as American Baptists and mainline churches. Of course there are individuals in institutions on either side who disagree with church leadership.
 

church mouse guy

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Politico next is going to say that commie Bernie is a bad Jew and commie Biden is a bad Catholic who is crazy for abortion. But it is a lie to say that Trump is anti-NATO or that Trump has not pushed back on the Dem-loving Russians. Clinton took about $145 million from Putin and Obam@ told Putin that he would be more flexible with Putin in his second term and Obam@ pulled missisles from Poland and refused military aid to Ukraine but allowed Biden to steal from Ukraine.
 

church mouse guy

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This story about Putin's lack of Christianity is only about ten years old; Obam@ is probably more Muslim than Putin is Christian. Even Romney told Obam@ that Putin was no good in 2012. Putin was KGB so no one ever thought that he was Christian.
 

RighteousnessTemperance&

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This has allowed me to make an interesting discovery. Putin is using religion to increase support for his rule in the same way that Trump is doing here. In neither case is their belief real. It's being used to control their people. I didn't realize that. But in Russia the people are starting to catch on.

Why Orthodox Christians are losing faith in Putin

MOSCOW — As Vladimir Putin prepared to return to the Kremlin for a third term of office in 2012, Patriarch Kirill, the powerful head of the Russian Orthodox Church, described the ex-KGB officer’s rule as a “miracle of God.”

The patriarch’s comments, made during a pre-election televised meeting with Putin, were a stark illustration, critics said at the time, of the erosion of the separation of church and state, as stipulated by Russia’s much-abused post-Soviet constitution. Over the following years, Putin, who professes a deep Orthodox belief, would shift to ultra-conservatism, positioning himself as a defender of traditional Christian values.
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One thing the Russian Orthodox Church is not is democratic. It was the state church during the tsars. Christians suffered under Soviet Communism, but it was nothing really new, except that the Russian Orthodox were also persecuted.

But you have failed to answer the question put to you several times: What do Putin's constitutional changes have to do with Trump? I'll answer for you. Nothing.
 

RighteousnessTemperance&

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This has allowed me to make an interesting discovery. Putin is using religion to increase support for his rule in the same way that Trump is doing here....
Guess again. Trump's religious claims are not what make him a popular populist president, but rather his pro-America, pro-American policies he is implementing as he promised. That and the threat of the obviously anti-America, anti-American policies the Dems promise to implement.
 

FollowTheWay

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Guess again. Trump's religious claims are not what make him a popular populist president, but rather his pro-America, pro-American policies he is implementing as he promised. That and the threat of the obviously anti-America, anti-American policies the Dems promise to implement.
So if Trump had never said he would be the greatest hero against abortion America had ever seen and would champion doing away with "religious persecution against Christians" you would have still forgotten his past immorality and voted for him? Correct?
 
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FollowTheWay

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One thing the Russian Orthodox Church is not is democratic. It was the state church during the tsars. Christians suffered under Soviet Communism, but it was nothing really new, except that the Russian Orthodox were also persecuted.

But you have failed to answer the question put to you several times: What do Putin's constitutional changes have to do with Trump? I'll answer for you. Nothing.
It legitimizes the Communist Ex-KGB head with Trump's "Evangelical Christians." See post #4 in this thread.
 

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This story about Putin's lack of Christianity is only about ten years old; Obam@ is probably more Muslim than Putin is Christian. Even Romney told Obam@ that Putin was no good in 2012. Putin was KGB so no one ever thought that he was Christian.
Now Orthodox Christians are questioning his Christianity. Prove that Obama was a Muslim and not a Christian.
 

FollowTheWay

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1. Trump is trying to save NATO but the deadbeat Europeans refuse to contribute the amount that they promised to pay.

2. The Dems have been so sympathetic to Russia since Franklin Delano Roosevelt that Obama promised them concessions in his second term and the Clintons took about $150 million from Putin. Sanders honeymooned in the Soviet Union and is a pure communist and may yet be the Dem nominee.
Trump Discussed Pulling U.S. From NATO, Aides Say Amid New Concerns Over Russia
Trump Discussed Pulling U.S. From NATO, Aides Say Amid New Concerns Over Russia

There are few things that President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia desires more than the weakening of NATO, the military alliance among the United States, Europe and Canada that has deterred Soviet and Russian aggression for 70 years.

Last year, President Trump suggested a move tantamount to destroying NATO: the withdrawal of the United States.

Senior administration officials told The New York Times that several times over the course of 2018, Mr. Trump privately said he wanted to withdraw from the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. Current and former officials who support the alliance said they feared Mr. Trump could return to his threat as allied military spending continued to lag behind the goals the president had set.

Senior Trump administration officials discussed the internal and highly sensitive efforts to preserve the military alliance on condition of anonymity.

Russia’s meddling in American elections and its efforts to prevent former satellite states from joining the alliance have aimed to weaken what it views as an enemy next door, the American officials said. With a weakened NATO, they said, Mr. Putin would have more freedom to behave as he wishes, setting up Russia as a counterweight to Europe and the United States.

The U.S. president has been reluctant to criticize Putin for his country’s actions. “And I might even end up having a good relationship, but they’re going: ‘President Putin is K.G.B,’ and — you know what, Putin‘s fine.” That’s made it easier for Russia to achieve its aim of weakening the world order.
 

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You publish more garbage from the pro-communist NYT and the anti-Anerican Carlos Slim. Why don't you quote nazi collaborator George Siros while you are at it? Your party kowtowed to Russia and took kickbacks from Ukraine. The NYT sided with Stalin that there was no famine in the Ukraine and sided with Castro.

Your candidate Bernie honeymooned in the Soviet Union and your candidate Biden has always been financed by communist-front Council For A Livable World since 1972.
 

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Now Orthodox Christians are questioning his Christianity. Prove that Obama was a Muslim and not a Christian.

Obam@ attended a cult of Garveyism that taught heretical blacks only liberation theology. Obam@'s father was Muslim and he is subject to sharia law of he has left Islam. No one ever thought that commie Putin was a Christian except you.
 

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So if Trump had never said he would be the greatest hero against abortion America had ever seen and would champion doing away with "religious persecution against Christians" you would have still forgotten his past immorality and voted for him? Correct?

No one liked Hillary and her lies and her closeness to Putin and her bloodthirsty support of abortion and her globalism. She told coal miners and factory workers not to vote for her.
 

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It legitimizes the Communist Ex-KGB head with Trump's "Evangelical Christians." See post #4 in this thread.

The Dems are thick with the Russians and always have been. The NYT said that Castro is not a communist. Maxine Waters is wild about Fidel.

Putin is intelligent to ban same-sex marriages because of Islam, which murdered 49 in a gay bar in Orlando.

Someone murdered Philip Haney recently. Was it someone acting on behalf of the Dems?
 

church mouse guy

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As for sodomites, some are being kicked out of Hollywood for supporting Trump. Among them are fashion designer Soriano and Ricky Rebel. Trump is pro-gay. Trump does not care about sodomite marriage and the Dems rejected both sodomite Mayor Pete and their women candidates in favor of two very elderly white guys on the far left, like Putin.

As for religion, communism has led Bernie to hate Israel. Bernie is a communist atheist. In the case of Biden some priests have denied him communion because of his all-out support of abortion which kills black people disproportionately as everyone knows.
 

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Obam@ attended a cult of Garveyism that taught heretical blacks only liberation theology. Obam@'s father was Muslim and he is subject to sharia law of he has left Islam. No one ever thought that commie Putin was a Christian except you.
I said this before. Read post #4 in this thread.
 

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So if Trump had never said he would be the greatest hero against abortion America had ever seen and would champion doing away with "religious persecution against Christians" you would have still forgotten his past immorality and voted for him? Correct?
Your response is a non sequitur, yet again. He is popular because of his policies. In other words, they appeal to a large segment of the population, namely those Americans who are pro-America.
 
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