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Putting the Spin on Spinoza

DaveXR650

DaveXR650

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easternstar said:
No, but everybody is at a different place in their lives. We all need to remember that.
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Indeed. But a couple of things. One, you are not exactly the one to comment on that considering the way you troll and mock those who have a view of the atonement different than yours without regard to how that might damage them. And two, there are many things written to help those in time of grief. Spinoza is not one of them. Acting as if all paths are wonderfully the same in our journey through life is modern BS (to use someone else's terminology).

When something really bad happens. I mean devastatingly bad, much of what people say is thoughtless and horrible and damaging. But when people are obviously headed in a direction that is harmful for certain, encouragement in that is not helpful. Turning to the internet is probably not a good idea either but if you don't have a helpful church I guess you make do.

So, knowing I am on ignore anyway (but also knowing that that means nothing if you haven't yet logged in) I will leave this quote and point in what I think is a better direction.

“We were promised sufferings. They were part of the program. We were even told, 'Blessed are they that mourn,' and I accept it. I've got nothing that I hadn't bargained for. Of course it is different when the thing happens to oneself, not to others, and in reality, not imagination.”
― C.S. Lewis, A Grief Observed

Jobs friends did well when they came to him and just sat down with him. And then they opened their mouths.
 
Earth Wind and Fire

Earth Wind and Fire

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easternstar said:
What I am encouraging is grace toward hurting people. But you are apparently devoid of that quality. Don't be surprised that when you meet your Creator face-to-face, that He doesn't recognize you.
It's easy to sit anonymously behind a computer and call me a piece of crap. I bet you wouldn't call me that in person. If you did, you'd regret it. Wish there was a way to make that happen.
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Now stop that, turn the other cheek, love your enemy… in short, honor Christ. Life is to short for that nonsense. The devil will alway attempt to lure ya in. Don’t let him.
 
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easternstar

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DaveXR650 said:
But that's just it. You don't know anything about me. And I don't think it's wise to share personal things on a public forum. I respect the right of those who do and if you two go way back and truly have a personal relationship then I hope you can help. But Spinoza was brought up on a public forum and not in any context of wanting or asking for consideration of personal issues. It seems patronizing to pretend that Spinoza was not an enemy both to Christianity and apparently Judaism as well, on account of someone's personal trials - which EWF did not invoke into the discussion anyway.
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Look, I have no desire to have a war with you. You can think what you choose about me. I just was saying, and hoping, that we all could be less critical and more empathetic to people in their trials and tribulations -- which we all have.
 
Earth Wind and Fire

Earth Wind and Fire

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To Dave… not wishing to speak to you because it always turns into a fight. In retrospect however, what I see missing in your Theological resume is “Intellectual Curiosity.” Example: you targeted Spinoza as a demon attempting to dismantle the whole of Christianity and Judaism… OK but you did not offer proof and by doing nothing but bluster, you failed to substantiate your claims.

Then you went on a personal rant against your brothers in Christ. What were you thinking? Anyway what’s done is done and I’m done posting on this topic.

God bless
 
DaveXR650

DaveXR650

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Van said:
If anyone takes Spinoza out for a spin, the drive will end up at the Marxist cafe, serving the "blue plate special," Deism with all the trimmings.
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Yes. I guess if you read him and then reject him though you are not intellectually curious.
 
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Van

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DaveXR650 said:
Yes. I guess if you read him and then reject him though you are not intellectually curious.
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Those that claim to be able to know the unstated attributes of others, like mind-readers, seem to lack any understanding of scripture. Yes, I did intend to suggest with the "blue plate special" to bring to mind the garbage being espoused by blue state politicians.
 
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easternstar

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I don't think anyone should ever be afraid to ask questions or seek answers, or explore all kinds of beliefs. How else can one know that what they believe is actually that, or if it is an 'inherited' belief? Heck, I have found that even the beliefs I sharply disagree with have helped me to more clearly define and understand the beliefs I do agree with.
 
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