question about bfm 2000 afirmation

[Revmitchell]

That very well maybe. However, what he said is a blanket statement that is a slap in the faces of good non-SBC Baptist churches. Contrary to the beliefs of some, the SBC is not the mother ship of Baptists in America.

I would not be a part of any Baptist church that allowed for women pastors, allowed for homesexual members and leaders, or did not agree with the BF&M 2000 whether they read it or not. You read too much into my words.

 

[rsr]

I sincerely doubt many other state conventions have tied their churches this closely to a manmade statement.

You may be correct. I am unable to say whether the SBC of Virginia requires affirmation of the BFM 2000, but those applying for seminary scholarships "affirm a belief in the most recent Baptist Faith and Message Statement."

As to the OP:
I am all in favor of churches having doctrinal statements. It's truth in advertising: It's nice to know where the church stands before you make a decision to join.

Now, I would have a bit of difficulty affirming the 1963 BFM (much less the 2000 version). If a church asked me to affirm every single sentence and word I might not be able to do so. However, I have no problems with a church asking that, if I disagree with a particular point, that I do not make an issue of it and follow the established doctrine of the assembly.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

No, you made a blanket statement without any qualifications. To many of us, the BF&M 2000 is null and irrelevant. And notice I've written

any of the good churches

which qualifies my statement. In fact, I can agree with your statement below until you again get into the BF&M 2000.

I would not be a part of any Baptist church that allowed for women pastors, allowed for homosexual members and leaders, or did not agree with the BF&M 2000 whether they read it or not. You read too much into my words.

 

[Revmitchell]

No, you made a blanket statement without any qualifications.

That's right, I don't want to have to qualify everything I post. It irritates me. How about just not trying to read too much into others posts.

 

[Baptist Believer]

The Southern Baptists of Texas Convention broke away from the Baptist General Convention of Texas in 1998 largely due to the Baptist General Convention of Texas' continued cooperation with the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship, which was organized in 1991, largely due to the conservative resurgence in the SBC, and represented what they self-identify as "moderates" while the more conservative Southern Baptists of Texas Convention refers to them as "liberals."

Yep. Lived that.

I was at the BGCT convention in Houston where they all walked out... including a number of old friends.

Lots of name calling, like Baptist Board.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

How about (not just you but also others) not assuming the SBC is center of the Baptist universe?

That's right, I don't want to have to qualify everything I post. It irritates me. How about just not trying to read too much into others posts.

 

[Revmitchell]

How about (not just you but also others) not assuming the SBC is center of the Baptist universe?

Those are your words and that is your issue not mine.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

Rev, that's been an issue for over 150 years. It's not a new one. As for a qualifier just saying

I would not go to a SBC church that did not affirm it.

That's not an 500 word essay. But it does narrow the field.

Those are your words and that is your issue not mine.

 

[rsr]

Like it or not, the SBC (because of it size) is the center of the Baptist universe. It is not the be-all, end-all of the Baptist experience, but it is the Big Dog.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

And as I have said before, for many of us, especially those in the FBFI, it has little relevance. I would appreciate not being swept up by blanket statements.

Like it or not, the SBC (because of it size) is the center of the Baptist universe. It is not the be-all, end-all of the Baptist experience, but it is the Big Dog.

 

[Revmitchell]

Rev, that's been an issue for over 150 years. It's not a new one. As for a qualifier just saying That's not an 500 word essay. But it does narrow the field.

I have no idea what you are saying here.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

I'm saying mainline Baptists in America have been split since the 1845 breakup of the Triennial Convention (aka General Missionary Convention of the Baptist Denomination in the United States of America for Foreign Missions). So, not wanting to be identified with the SBC or its split offs, is not new.

I have no idea what you are saying here.

 

[Revmitchell]

I'm saying mainline Baptists in America have been split since the 1845 breakup of the Triennial Convention (aka General Missionary Convention of the Baptist Denomination in the United States of America for Foreign Missions). So, not wanting to be identified with the SBC or its split offs, is not new.

Ok?? Has nothing to do with anything I have said.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

Your statement

I would not go to a church that did not affirm it.

means to me you would not attend my home church. Which has had no connection to the SBC and whose pastor is affiliated with the FBFI.

Ok?? Has nothing to do with anything I have said.

 

[Revmitchell]

Your statementmeans to me you would not attend my home church. Which has had no connection to the SBC and whose pastor is affiliated with the FBFI.

That is what you want it to mean. I have never said anything like that. You have taken my words, twisted them to fit your presupposition and applied them in a personal way. It is rather odd behavior from you. I cannot think of another time I have seen you act this way.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

You made a blanket statement

I would not go to a church that did not affirm it.

without any qualification. It covers a lot of ground it looks like you didn't intend it to cover. In the end, my my home church does not fit it.

That is what you want it to mean. I have never said anything like that. You have taken my words, twisted them to fit your presupposition and applied them in a personal way. It is rather odd behavior from you. I cannot think of another time I have seen you act this way.

 

[Revmitchell]

You made a blanket statement without any qualification. It covers a lot of ground it looks like you didn't intend it to cover. In the end, my my home church does not fit it.

I don't care about your home church and I wasn't talking to you. Get over yourself.By the way Salty understood exactly what I meant. Not sure what the disconnect for you is.

 

[Revmitchell]

Dadgum people on this board would turn the most innocent of things into a fight. Talk about over sensitive Of course its no surprise an uninvolved Calvinists has to use the disagree feature. We will all have a heart attack and die of not surprised..

 

[Salty]

That is what you want it to mean. I have never said anything like that. You have taken my words, twisted them to fit your presupposition and applied them in a personal way. It is rather odd behavior from you. I cannot think of another time I have seen you act this way.

So if you moved to an area without a SBC church, ( say withing a 100 mile radius) what criteria would you use to choose a Baptist church? FBFI, GARBC, BBF, CBA, ABC,ABA, --- Would you discount any of these- which ones would you consider?
(and yes, I know there are at least 57 more....

 

[Squire Robertsson]

You did read my second sentence:

It covers a lot of ground it looks like you didn't intend it to cover.

That to me looks like an olive branch.

I don't care about your home church and I wasn't talking to you. Get over yourself.By the way Salty understood exactly what I meant. Not sure what the disconnect for you is.