Question about REVELATION 20:7-10 !!!

[Samuel Owen]

Umm, Umm, Go study some more you ain't got it yet. There is a definite difference between Tribulation, and Wrath.

 

[BobRyan]

I never mention the tribulation here -- just quote the text of scripture and observe the inconvenient details

1. Christ Appears – 1Thess 4, Rev 19:12-15
2. Dead Saints Raised (First Resurrection) and living Raptured – 1Thess 4, Rev 20:2-4 taken to Our Father’s house “that where I am THERE you may be also”
3. THE REST are slain – all the wicked – all remaining “mankind” slain Rev 19
4. Satan is bound for 1000 years Rev 20:1
5. The Feast of the birds and the beasts – feasting on all mankind. Rev 19:17, Ezek 32:4-8

All the Wicked are slain.


Rev 19
Rev 19[/b]
14 And the armies which are in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, were following Him on white horses.
15 From His mouth comes a sharp sword, so that with it He may strike down the nations, and He will rule them with a rod of iron; and He treads the wine press of the fierce wrath of God, the Almighty.
16 And on His robe and on His thigh He has a name written, "" KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.''

17 Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and he cried out with a loud voice, [b]saying to all the birds which fly in midheaven[/b], "" Come, assemble for the great supper of God,
18 so that you may eat the flesh of kings and the flesh of commanders and the flesh of mighty men and the flesh of horses and of those who sit on them and the flesh of all men, both free men and slaves, and small and great.''
19 And I saw [b]the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies[/b] assembled to make war against Him who sat on the horse and against His army.[/b]

20 And the beast was seized, and with him the false prophet who performed the signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who had received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image; these two were thrown alive into the lake of fire which burns with brimstone.
21 And the rest were killed with the sword which came from the mouth of Him who sat on the horse, and all the birds were filled with their flesh


Ez 32:4-8
4 ""I will leave you on the land; I will cast you on the open field. And I will cause all the birds of the heavens to dwell on you, And I will satisfy the beasts of the whole earth with you.
5 ""I will lay your flesh on the mountains And fill the valleys with your refuse.
6 ""I will also make the land drink the discharge of your blood As far as the mountains, And the ravines will be full of you.
7 ""And when I extinguish you, I will cover the heavens and darken their stars; I will cover the sun with a cloud And the moon will not give its light.
8 ""All the shining lights in the heavens I will darken over you And will set darkness on your land,'' Declares the Lord GOD.

Jer 4:23
I looked on the EARTH, and behold, it was formless and void; And to the heavens, and they had no light.
24 I looked on the mountains, and behold, they were quaking, And all the hills moved to and fro.
25 I looked, and behold, there was No Man, And all the birds of the heavens had fled.
26 I looked, and behold, the fruitful land was a wilderness, And [b]all its cities were pulled down Before the LORD, before His fierce anger.
27 For thus says the LORD, ""The whole land shall be a desolation, Yet I will not execute a complete destruction.
28 ""For this [b] the EARTH shall mourn And the heavens above be dark, Because I have spoken, I have purposed, And I will not change My mind, nor will I turn from it.''
29 At the sound of the horseman and bowman every city flees; They go into the thickets and climb among the rocks; Every city is forsaken, And no man dwells in them.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

He who believes in Jesus has gone out of spiritual, 'second death'-death, into everlasting, (first) resurrection-life. "He shall not see death" - the 'second death', they "shall not enter judgement". Two oaths of Jesus Christ. For such the resurrection of the flesh is but the continuing of ETERNAL life. A 'second resurrection' is an impossibility for those whom Christ has saved; it would belie His gift of eternal life.

A second resurrection would belie the death the damned must die after they will have died their first or temporary death.

So for all there is just one resurrection, while for the damned two deaths await them.

By the way: Why do you millennialists explain everything as symbolic in Revelation, but take 'The Thousand Years' for literal?

 

[Ed Edwards]

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By the way: Why do you millennialists explain everything as symbolic in Revelation, but take 'The Thousand Years' for literal?

Bad question. Most of the millennialists I know (recall i've been discussing
these matters on bulletin boards alone for 22 years) consider
many other things in Revelation as being literal. So the question
has a bad premesis: "millennialists explain everything as
symbolic in Revelation".

 

[Samuel Owen]

There is a problem with Post #22, anyone have a comment on this.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Bad question. Most of the millennialists I know (recall i've been discussing
these matters on bulletin boards alone for 22 years) consider
many other things in Revelation as being literal. So the question
has a bad premesis: "millennialists explain everything as
symbolic in Revelation".

Maybe a bad question; your answer is bad too - you haven't given an answer to the question why the thousand years should be taken for literal?

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

BobRyan:
"the "dead in Christ" are raised in the first resurrection - the one of Rev 20:4-5 and 1Thess 4."


GE:
Fully agreed! It's a spiritual resurrection the gift of ETERNAL life. ONLY the 'dead in Christ' receive this grace - a reality as sure as God's Word. The wicked all, living and dead, must wait until the 1000 years are over, before they are raised in the flesh, together with the saved, and all together, will receive eternal reward.

That ENDS the 1000 years.

BR:

"That starts the 1000 years."
"The REST ARE KILLED" speaking of the wicked alive in Rev 19 at the second coming. The "REST of the dead did NOT come to life until AFTER the 1000 years were completed" Rev 20:5."

GE:

This is a contradiction. "At the second coming", you say, then you switch to, "after the 1000 years" (in your reckoning after the second coming). The wicked "come to life" ONLY to be obliterated again, for ever, remember.

Revelation the nineteenth chapter unequivocally speaks of Jesus "the Word of God's", Second Coming ---NOT of a 'third'! And it describes the general resurrection at the end of our present, Christian, era - the era of the rule of the Word of God through faith.

BR:

"So ONCE the 1000 years is ended - the wicked are all raised and these are those whom Satan leads to make one last stands against God and His Holy City."

GE:
Agreed upon, fully! It will be soon, we believe and place our hope upon! (And God is not going to deal with sin again, He promised!)

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

There is a problem with Post #22, anyone have a comment on this.

GE:
I don't find anything in there that's not a problem!

 

[Samuel Owen]

You Dont!?. How about explaining it then.

 

[BobRyan]

"That starts the 1000 years."
"The REST ARE KILLED" speaking of the wicked alive in Rev 19 at the second coming. The "REST of the dead did NOT come to life until AFTER the 1000 years were completed" Rev 20:5."

GE:

This is a contradiction. "At the second coming", you say, then you switch to, "after the 1000 years" (in your reckoning after the second coming). The wicked "come to life" ONLY to be obliterated again, for ever, remember.

Revelation the nineteenth chapter unequivocally speaks of Jesus "the Word of God's", Second Coming ---NOT of a 'third'! And it describes the general resurrection at the end of our present, Christian, era - the era of the rule of the Word of God through faith.

Rev 19 at the second coming you have "the REST KILLED" by the sword that comes from His mouth. All the wicked slain -- and as we saw in 1Thess 4 the living righteous AND the "dead in Christ" raised and raptured up to heaven to be WITH Christ "that "where He is there WE may be also".

That leaves nothing here on earth.

Then I point out in Rev 4 and 5 that the saints are raised in the FIRST resurrection just as we saw in 1thess 4 -- but the REST of the DEAD (which includes not only the dead wicked from all of time but also the wicked just slain in Rev 19 the previous chapter) do NOT come to life UNTIL AFTER the 1000 years as been completed.

Then we see the New Jerusalem coming down out of heaven - that takes place AFTER the 1000 years are completed. It is not the 3rd coming since on earth there are no saints - all the saints are ALREADY with Christ.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[Samuel Owen]

Why shouldn't the 1000 years be taken for literal. And where do you think the Bible says there will be no one left on the earth, at Christs second coming. In fact where does the Bible say there will be no one left on earth at any time.

 

[Ed Edwards]

Amen, Brother Samuel Owen.

There is also this interesting scripture where the
Greek 'aeon, aeon' is translated 'world without end':

Eph 3:21 (KJV1611 Edition):
Unto him be glory in the Church by Christ Iesus,
throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.

Will there then be an empty world time when
Messiah Jesus is NOT given glory on the earth?