Question about the 1000 years of Christs Reign..

[Hope of Glory]

Well, to start things off, 1 Corinthians 15:24-27 tells us that Christ’s rule is temporary; it’s for 1000 years. God’s Kingdom is forever.

 

[Ed Edwards]

Originally posted by Kamoroso:
Opinions, are just opinions. How about supplying some concrete scriptural evidence to the effect that there are three separate kingdoms of God.

Bye for now. Y. b. in C. Keith

It is implied by
THE GREAT CONTROVERSY Between CHRIST and SATAN
(Review and Herald Publishing Asso, 1907)
by Mrs. E.G. White.

(Who shows it from the Bible).

Of course, it wasn't real popular so
Herbert Armstrong dropped the 'Kingdom Trinity'
idea. But Garner Ted Armstrong restored
the 'Kingdom Trinity' when he tryed to
take the Armstrongites into mainstream.

BTW, till I moved two years ago, I
voted at a 7-th Day Adventist Church.
My Baptist chruch 2 blocks away was the
voting place for another precint.

 

[Kamoroso]

Matthew 4 17From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Jesus said that the kingdom of God was at hand, not one of the kingdoms of God, or one of God's kingdoms.

1 Corinthians 15 24Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 25For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 27For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 28And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Again, Christ delivers the kingdom up to God, not one of the kingdoms, or one of God's kingdoms. You are confusing different phases of establishing the kingdom of God, with different kingdoms of God. There is only one kingdom of God. Though it may be establihed within individuals at various times, it will be literally established on this earth by Christ, and it will be delivered by Him to His Father, when all things have been subjected to Christ.
These are different phases of establishing God's kingdom, not different kingdoms. This was part of the eternal purpose in Christ Jesus.

Bye for now. Y. b. in C. Keith

 

[BobRyan]

In Daniel 7 we that it is not until after the rise of the 4th world empire (Pagan Rome) and its division into 10 - and the demise of the 11th kingdom that eventually began to persecute the saints AND the judgment is passed AND all persecution of the saints ends -- that The Kingdom is turned over to Christ.

"Details".

Dan 7
17 "These great beasts, which are four in number, are four kings who will arise from the earth.
18 "But the saints of the Highest One will receive the kingdom and possess the kingdom forever, for all ages to come.'
19 ""Then I desired to know the exact meaning of the fourth beast, which was different from all the others, exceedingly dreadful, with its teeth of iron and its claws of bronze, and which devoured, crushed and trampled down the remainder with its feet,
20 and the meaning of the ten horns that were on its head and the other horn which came up, and before which three of them fell, namely, that horn which had eyes and a mouth uttering great boasts and which was larger in appearance than its associates.

21 ""I kept looking, and that horn was waging war with the saints and overpowering them
22 until the Ancient of Days came and judgment was passed in favor of the saints of the Highest One, and the time arrived when the saints took possession of the kingdom.
23 ""Thus he said: "The fourth beast will be a fourth kingdom on the earth, which will be different from all the other kingdoms and will devour the whole earth and tread it down and crush it.
24 "As for the ten horns, out of this kingdom ten kings will arise; and another will arise after them, and he will be different from the previous ones and will subdue three kings.

25 "He will speak out against the Most High and wear down the saints of the Highest One, and he will intend to make alterations in times and in law; and they will be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time.
26 "But the court will sit for judgment, and his dominion will be taken away, annihilated and destroyed forever.
27 "Then the sovereignty, the dominion and the greatness of all the kingdoms under the whole heaven will be given to the people of the saints of the Highest One; His kingdom will be an everlasting kingdom, and all the dominions will serve and obey Him.'

 

[BobRyan]

But as if that Daniel 7 sequence were not obvious for all to see clearly - God also gives us the one in Rev 19-20.

First you have the "Coming of our Lord" in Rev 19 and then in Rev 20 "The 1000 year reign".

It is incredibly obvious that this is future to our day!

 

[Ed Edwards]

I believe that Jesus will reign on a physical
throne of David on a physical earth in a physical
Jerusalem. It hasn't happened yet. It will
happen just after the tribulation period following
the pretribulation rapture.

 

[BobRyan]

The reign of Christ starts in Rev 20 right after the "coming of the Lord" described in chapter detail - in Rev 19.

In Rev 20 that reign of Christ starts with the "FIRST RESURRECTION" Rev 20:5 which as we have seen is the one at the "Coming of the Lord" described in 1Thess 4 and also the timing (that it is after the revelation of the antichrist) is specified in 2Thess 2:1-5.

It is all there in living Color.

That means that Christ comes post-trib (2Thess 2 and Matt 24 point that out) and it is THEN that we have the FIRST Resurrection (Rev 19 and 20 point that out) and then we are gathered together to him (as 2Thess 2 and 1Thess 4 say) and taken to be WITH HIM in His heavenly home -- as John 14:1-3 and 1Thess 4 point out.

They are all in complete agreement.

Which is why the OT describes a "Desolate earth" during that time with all of earth's cities destroyed - and the earth left "formless and void" and there being "no man" on the planet - nor sun shinning nor moon shining nor dead bodied buried.

In Christ,

Bob

 

[prophecynut]

Kamoroso
You are confusing different phases of establishing the kingdom of God, with different kingdoms of God. There is only one kingdom of God. Though it may be established within individuals at various times, it will be literally established on this earth by Christ, and it will be delivered by Him to His Father, when all things have been subjected to Christ.

Exactly.

Three phases of the kingdom of heaven:

Announcement of the kingdom Mt. 3:1-6
Characteristics of the kingdom Mt. 13
First phase ends; Mt. 13:30,40-42,49; Dn. 2:35,44; Zec. 14:14; Mt. 24:30; Rev. 19:11-16

Second phase, the Millennium: Isa. 2:1-5; 27; Mt. 13:43; 24:31; 25:34; Rev. 20:4d.

Third phase, eternal state: Isa. 65:17; 66:22; 1 Cor. 15:24; 2 Pet. 3:10,13; Rev. 21:1

 

[Me4Him]

The Kingdom of Heaven is a "literal place", it's only mentioned in Matthew.

The Kingdom of God is a "Spiritual Place", mentioned from Matthew to 2 thess.

Zec 14:1 will give you an "idea" of what the MK will be like.

So does Zec 8:1, Eze 47:1,

 

[prophecynut]

Mt. 12:28
But if I drive out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.

19:24
And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

21:43
Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

Although dispensational theology has customarily made a theological distinction between these two terms, the simple fact is that they are quite interchangeable (cf. Mt. 19:23 with V. 24; Mk. 10:23).

21:43
The kingdom of God or kingdom of heaven was taken away from Israel and given to the Church, if the kingdom of heaven is a "literal place" then you and I would be living in Israel.

 

[DeafPosttrib]

Ed,

1. The Kingdom of God(Holy Spirit) within you who are real Christians

2. The temporal Kingdom of God(Messiah Jesus)- the Millennial Messanic KIngdom- on earth

3. The eternal Kingdom of God(the Father)- the saints of all the ages

Scriptures please.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!

 

[Ed Edwards]

I don't have time to do the research
tonight, i have to study to teach
my Sunday School lesson on Romans 9.

These posts are not found in BB anymore, but in Google:

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Posted by Ed Edwards (Member # 4203) on March 13, 2005 03:51 PM:

Whomever: "Amillennialists in general believe that the Old Testament promises not fulfilled in the Church will be fulfilled in the new heaven and new earth."

So Damascus will be destroyed in the same new heaven and
new earth in which babies play in the spider den?

Whomever: "The glorious kingdom promised by God to His people in the Old Testament was to last forever, not one thousand years."

I find it is dangerous to limit the power of God. I find that
God has three Kingdoms of which two are:
1) the etermal Kingdom
2) the 1,000 year Physical Kingdom

(sorry to mention it, i don't have the write-up done yet.
Talk to my Boss about the scheduling problems [Wink] )


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DeafPosttrib
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posted December 02, 2004 06:52 PM

1.We are already in kingdom of God/heaven.

...
2. Dan. 2:44-45 have do nothing with Christ's coming.
It talks about eternality kingdom.

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