question about this BB quote

[Trotter]

I told you it wouldn't be long. Here's a Southern Baptist that you can't tell from a Pentecostal. (Not all Pentecostals are Oneness.)

I believe in 2000, in one of my first posts, I said that in about 10 years you won't see a difference in the Baptists and Pentecostals.

With folks like Mark Driscoll claiming unchallenged to have received divine revelation, arguments about tongues in the mission boards, and, most telling, the adoption of Pentecostal worship styles, it's gonna snowball now.

I happen to be a Southern Baptist. My city happens to be the world headquarters of three (actually four) Pentecostal denominations. I know very well what these kinds of churches are and what they look like and what they act like.

If you think that SBC churches are the same as these then you are very, very sadly mistaken. Oh, I am sure there are a few out there like that, but I am also sure that there are some Pentecostal churches that look and sound like Baptist churches, too. The SBC is not a strict governing body in that it allows each church to be autonomous so long as they agree to and uphold the Baptist Faith & Message (which is a very loose doctrinal document in my opinion). This could very well allow some fringe churches to be a part of the SBD... just as an IFB church could do whatever it wants as long as "Baptist" is on the sign out front. There's not much difference between an IFB and a SBC church, other than the BF&M.

 

[donnA]

Here's a Southern Baptist that you can't tell from a Pentecostal

I'm sure they exist somewhere, but have never seen an sbc church like this one. You seem to think this is what sbc is.

I believe in 2000, in one of my first posts, I said that in about 10 years you won't see a difference in the Baptists and Pentecostals.

your a baptist and you can't tell the difference between baptsts and pentecostals? maybe you need a new church.

To you it's the music style that makes a church penetcostal, so doctrinal difference must mena nothing, because I ahven't seen any sbc churches who teach penetoctal doctrines.
And as far as the music, all the penetcostal church here use hymns only. So as for what i see you saying, if a church just uses hymns it must be a pentecostal church, no doctrinal issues even need to be looked at to make this determination.

 

[Aaron]

To you it's the music style that makes a church penetcostal, so doctrinal difference must mena nothing, because I ahven't seen any sbc churches who teach penetoctal doctrines.

What do you know of Pentecostal doctrines?

And as far as the music, all the penetcostal church here use hymns only.

What's the name of their hymnal and the publisher?

So as for what i see you saying, if a church just uses hymns it must be a pentecostal church, no doctrinal issues even need to be looked at to make this determination.

I don't think you know what a hymn is.

 

[rbell]

it always comes back to Aaron's preference for style, doesn't it?

 

[Marcia]

I actually don't think there was much evidence the guy was Pentecostal. I think he had confused and/or erroneous theology about Jesus.

 

[Jerome]

Simple put. I am not a oneness anything I am a southern baptist

Of course, last month on another website, Joseph was claiming:

I am a member and teacher in the AOG church. Unlike some churchs we try to teach and live up to the fullness of the operationals patterns set out in the bible. We believe in the infilling of the Holy Spirit. . . .And we do practice all the gifts of the Holy Spirit. We follow the whole word of God and not just parts. We may be foolish but we get healed.

 

[Marcia]

Of course, last month on another website, Joseph was claiming:

Well, that is interesting.

But even as an AOG member, his statements about Jesus were heretical and not in line with what I know of AOG beliefs.

 

[annsni]

Of course, last month on another website, Joseph was claiming:

Well, that was him alright. And it just proved that he was a liar. That is sad that a professed believer would lie like he did.

 

[donnA]

Of course, last month on another website, Joseph was claiming:

apparently what he is changes depending on what site he's on.

 

[donnA]

What do you know of Pentecostal doctrines?

Used to ahve friends who were pentecostals, we went to church with them several times, I've even read about ito understand where they were coing from, not to mention we've discussed it here before so I evens tudied in the past for threads here.
why? do you think baptsits are teaching pentecostal doctrines?

What's the name of their hymnal and the publisher?

Their church used heavenly highway hymns, and I don't know nor do I care who the publisher is. Why?

I don't think you know what a hymn is.

Since I've been singing them for a long time I'm sure your wrong, again.

 

[Aaron]

Used to ahve friends who were pentecostals, we went to church with them several times, I've even read about ito understand where they were coing from, not to mention we've discussed it here before so I evens tudied in the past for threads here.
why? do you think baptsits are teaching pentecostal doctrines?

Not so much in word as in deed.

Their church used heavenly highway hymns, and I don't know nor do I care who the publisher is. Why?

http://www.worshipmusic.com/2598654097.html

My late grandmother was Pentecostal, all my wives relatives are Pentecostal. I spent some time in the Charismatic camp. I'm familiar with many of the songs in that book. They're mostly shallow and sentimental with sappy or driving accompaniment. Yes, there are some hymns, but if they're anything like your run of the mill Pentecostal church, it's the shallow, sentimental works that make the top ten list.

The reason? Those are the most conducive to the emotional, ecstatic experiences that Pentecostals are seeking. In fact, there's little to distinguish them from the praise teams and choruses popping up like weeds in practically every Baptist church these days for the same reasons.

Since I've been singing them for a long time I'm sure your wrong, again.

Not every song in a hymnal is a hymn.

 

[donnA]

the pentecostal churches here do not do praise teams, ccm or anything re,otely similar to ccm, all the things you hate, they do not do here in pentecostal churches. They sing hymns like amazing grace, so if you think thats shallow.

Somehow you can not understand the fact of doctrinal differences between baptists and pentecostals, as a matter of fact you do not recognize they even exist.

 

[queenbee]

You seem to imply that one who doesn't speak in tongues is dead and/or doesn't have the HS? If so, that amounts to judging other's salvation by these works rather than by grace through faith and would point to an unbiblical Pentecostal leaning.

I have to admit - this is a problem for me too! Joseph - are you telling me that you emphatically believe I'm not saved becuz I don't speak in tongues or imply I don't have the HS? I'm sorry my friend (I say this with as much grace & humility as God will allow me) - you are not my god; you are not my savior - you never have been and never will be. To sum up Joseph, when God my Heavenly Papa lets me know that I'm not saved becuz I don't speak in tongues or I don't have the HS, I'll in turn, let you & the others here on the BB know all about it.

 

[Aaron]

the pentecostal churches here do not do praise teams, ccm or anything re,otely similar to ccm, all the things you hate, they do not do here in pentecostal churches. They sing hymns like amazing grace, so if you think thats shallow.

I didn't say they did. Read my post again.

The hymnal they've chosen tells me the styles that they sing. That they're Pentecostal tells me why. If the Pentecostal church that you frequent is atypical, then how can you appeal to your experiences there as a basis for your alleged knowledge of Pentecostal doctrines and practices in general?

Somehow you can not understand the fact of doctrinal differences between baptists and pentecostals, as a matter of fact you do not recognize they even exist.

 

[donnA]

your entire converstionon this thread has nothing to do with the topic.
since you can not seem to determine the topic of any thread your on I've asked this thread be closed.
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[Dr. Bob]

Donna who originated this thread asked that it be closed. As per our policy of the pass 11 years, we honor such requests.

Closed.