Charles Meadows
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And what is the "gospel" according to the CoC?
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Michael,Originally posted by Snitzelhoff:
Furthermore, you have yet to show why the salvation of the baptizer doesn't matter. What Scriptural authorization do you find for a non-disciple administering a valid baptism?
Michael
Michael,Originally posted by Snitzelhoff:
Stefon (glad to have a name from you!),
It's not that nothing you say matters; it's that you have failed to answer the question. How do you Scripturally legitimize a baptism by anyone other than a disciple? The closest thing I've gotten to an answer is from Bmerr, who said that God could use the unsaved to accomplish His purposes, as in the crucifixion. I agree with that principle, but I don't think it applies because Jesus specifically authorized the disciples to baptize in the Great Commission, and never is anyone else given that authority.
I know the Church of Christ zeal for Scriptural backing for everything they believe. I was in one for ten years. So, with a shared love for the Word, I'm asking you to really consider why you believe that any non-disciple is authorized to baptize.
Michael
What is biblical then? How should baptism be understood according to your question?Originally posted by Snitzelhoff:
Frank:
It's not that I don't like your answer. In fact, it would make Church of Christ doctrine more believable. I disagree with your answer on the grounds that I find it unbiblical.
Michael
What biblical evidence do you have that the effectiveness of baptism is dependant upon the person administering it?Originally posted by Snitzelhoff:
Stefon,
It's not the purpose of baptism that we're discussing in this thread; it's who is authorized to baptize. Biblically, I believe only those who belong to Jesus Christ are authorized to baptize. You four (Bmerr, Tazman, Eschatologist, and Frank) believe the opposite--that all people, regardless of their own salvation, are authorized to baptize. My question seeks Biblical evidence for that assertion.
Michael
"Authorized" means that one has the authority to perform the baptism. Christ conferred that authority to the disciples (defined as "those who belong to Him") in the Great Commission. No one else was given that authority.When you say "Authorized", please explain.
If, by "select few," you mean all saved people (disciples of Jesus Christ), then yes.Does this mean that only a select few may perform this baptism for it to be acceptable to God?
Command: The Great CommissionWhat biblical evidence do you have that the effectiveness of baptism is dependant upon the person administering it?
It would be if you're Church of Christ and believe that you're only saved at the point of valid baptism.Is this authority of the baptizer a salvation issue for the one being baptized?