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- Thread starter utilyan
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He doesn't want anyone to sin, then he must want them saved.
atpollard
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Non sequitur.
Those God wants saved, are saved. God does not try and fail. (Romans 9)
Scott Downey
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Everyone born into this world sins. Only one that did not was Christ who did not need to be saved.
if God wants everyone to be saved by Christ , then by logic, God wants everyone to sin.
if God wants everyone to be saved by Christ , then by logic, God wants everyone to sin.
So do your firemen set the fires too?
THOSE GOD wants not sinning? Do they still sin? God does not try and fail.
Maybe they would speak up where they are not gagged.
atpollard
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Some, but not all.
(Have you never seen them practice on an old house or do a controlled burn?)
atpollard
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You are conflating what God desires, what God allows and what God causes. They are not the same thing. Read Romans 1:18-32, did God fail to reveal himself to the reprobate, or did God merely choose to give them over to their corrupt desires?
[James 1:13-18 NASB] 13 Let no one say when he is tempted, "I am being tempted by God"; for God cannot be tempted by evil, and He Himself does not tempt anyone. 14 But each one is tempted when he is carried away and enticed by his own lust. 15 Then when lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and when sin is accomplished, it brings forth death. 16 Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren. 17 Every good thing given and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shifting shadow. 18 In the exercise of His will He brought us forth by the word of truth, so that we would be a kind of first fruits among His creatures.
No I used the word WANTS as in desires. You are not a reprobate, and God does not want you to sin ever again. He really REALLY doesn't want you to sin ever again.
He's saying God wants everyone to sin. Did you change your mind?
Scott Downey
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Do you understand how absurd some of these questions are, in reality?
Partially absurd questions deserve partially absurd answers...
Questions that are designed as traps.
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atpollard
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Then ask him about THAT rather than Firemen.
No.
Although I admitted in my response that the answer is more complex than a simple "yes" or "no" because what God WANTS is a complex issue ... our good and His Glory. Achieving what God wants involves the crucifixion of an innocent man by a rebellious creation to redeem from them a people that God loves more than His own life.
Rebellion? Impossible, are you saying God had no control over them and they had control over themselves?
Just because it involves common sense doesn't mean its a trap.
atpollard
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Define "control".
Did God prevent Adam and Eve from disobeying His command? No.
Could God have prevented Adam and Eve from eating the fruit? Yes.
Can fallen men live a sinless life? No.
Could God have created people capable of living a sinless life? Unanswerable: requires omniscience.
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Did God command Adam and Eve not to eat the fruit? His want is established.
Could God have created people capable of living a sinless life? Absolutely. Sinless does not equate to divine. Jesus even points this out in a parable where even if you are sinless you have not earned thanks from God. LUKE 17