PreachTREE
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eyewitness account? Petrel stop speaking for JohnV. He did not go to PNG or Ecuador.Originally posted by Petrel:
Ooh, the irony!
Johnv was telling about an eyewitness account of several churches.
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eyewitness account? Petrel stop speaking for JohnV. He did not go to PNG or Ecuador.Originally posted by Petrel:
Ooh, the irony!
Johnv was telling about an eyewitness account of several churches.
I was relaying to you an eyewitness account from someone I knew. That person was my wife's college professor who was a missionary prior to being a college prof. I knew him personally, though I did not study under him.Originally posted by PreachTREE:
eyewitness account? Petrel stop speaking for JohnV. He did not go to PNG or Ecuador.
Thanks for describing toleration. People are confused because they change their hearts. Let Christ change your heart not yourselves.Originally posted by Johnv:
We do this by changing our hearts, not changing someone else's mode of dress to conform to our hearts.
No, you are not the only one. I don't notice. At least, not any more than I would notice a baseball cap or other benign article of attire. When someone does go by in an occaisional overly skimpy one (not very often), then I look elsewhere out of respect for myself and my wife. My wife has never had an ocaision to think I have a wandering eye, and we go to the beach somewhat often.Originally posted by RockRambler:
Am I'm the only one that doesn't notice women in bathing suits at the beach????
Translation: You're going ignore the facts of the post because you can't argue it with scripture or logic. With western cultural standards, yes. But scripure and logic, no.Originally posted by PreachTREE:
someone said that someone said that someone said. anyways, we are going off topic.
when we analyze a culture and say that certain practices are ok simply because it is their custom, we are wrong. who is the authority of these jungle tribes? Paganism is. Not God. Will it take time for these certain cultures to adjust? yes! But to simply participate in their culture would be to tolerate it.
You're attempting to telll me that a bathing suit is immodest, based on western cultural principles. You have faild to make your point using biblical principles.Originally posted by PreachTREE:
Why does culture have so much weight on you? Is culture your authority?
</font>[/QUOTE]Let me say again:Originally posted by PreachTREE:
Let me say again:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> when we analyze a culture and say that certain practices are ok simply because it is their custom, we are wrong. who is the authority of these jungle tribes? Paganism is. Not God. Will it take time for these certain cultures to adjust? yes! But to simply participate in their culture would be to tolerate it.
Prove from the Bible that your standard of dress is the only right one and then we can talk.
Right now you're trying to enforce your own arbitrary standard of dress over their equally arbitrary one.
NO. We have concluded that fashion changes. The issue now is if modesty does. If God wanted to put a Mall in the Garden of Eden so that Adam and Eve could shop, He could have but he didnt. God used animal skins to cover them.Originally posted by patrick:
So, going on that referance should we wear only animal skins.
Originally posted by PreachTREE:
The issue now is if modesty does.
You miss the point of the story. Adam and Eve were the only two people aroung, and they were married. There was no need to cover their nudity from each other (my wife and I see each other nude every day, and we're not embarrased about it). In the Hebrew, God is hiding their revealed deception which was exposed and resulted in shame, not their nudity per se. He covered them because they were incapable of covering themselves.God used animal skins to cover them.
Originally posted by Helen:
Because it was allowable there, was he therefore modest? Or exempt from any issues of modesty morally?
Then please make sure that you cover completely up whenever you go out. There are many Islamic men in our society now who are offended if a woman shows anything between her nose and her feet. So by this reasoning all women should be covered up, because you might offend any Islamic men that may be present.Offending others is not right. It doesn't matter if it is while you are doing or wearing or saying something that is 'allowed.' For a Christian that is not the point at all. The point for us is that we are to live our lives above reproach and not to spend them defending our misuse of our liberties.
Am I? How does scripture define immodest? You know very well that scripture does not define immodest as simply being nude.Originally posted by Helen:
Well, you have just defined nakedness as modest under certain circumstances, John. I think that tells us enough. You and the Bible are definitely at odds on this one!