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Questioning My belief in pre trib rapture

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Doeroftheword80

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Hello Everyone. I have been doing a bible study on the prophecies of the second coming and today I was reading Matthew 24 and it spoke about the elect and it makes me wonder if the elect means Christians and if that is so does that mean We will be in the trbulation?

22 “If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. 23 At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. 24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you ahead of time.

The other thing that makes Me wonder is 1 Thessalonians 4:16

16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever

Id like some opinion on this . Thanks for reading and responding. God Bless
 

jonathan.borland

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Hello Everyone. I have been doing a bible study on the prophecies of the second coming and today I was reading Matthew 24 and it spoke about the elect and it makes me wonder if the elect means Christians and if that is so does that mean We will be in the trbulation?

Welcome to the Baptist Board. Pre-trib rapture advocates would say that the elect there refers to those who come to belief during the tribulation.

The other thing that makes Me wonder is 1 Thessalonians 4:16

Pre-trib advocates make a distinction between "touchdown" verses and "in the air" verses. "Touchdown" verses refer to Jesus coming at the end of the tribulation for the battle of Armageddon and setting up the millennial reign, while "in the air" verses refer to the rapture. Of course, they classify 1 Thess 4:16 as an "in the air/rapture" verse.
 

OldRegular

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Welcome to the Baptist Board. Pre-trib rapture advocates would say that the elect there refers to those who come to belief during the tribulation.



Pre-trib advocates make a distinction between "touchdown" verses and "in the air" verses. "Touchdown" verses refer to Jesus coming at the end of the tribulation for the battle of Armageddon and setting up the millennial reign, while "in the air" verses refer to the rapture. Of course, they classify 1 Thess 4:16 as an "in the air/rapture" verse.

And they ignore John 5:28, 29!
 

DHK

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And they ignore John 5:28, 29!
This is MacArthur's answer to that exact passage:
Now, some have tried to say this, and we want to make a very important point here, some have said this proves that there's no Rapture, no Tribulation, no Kingdom, no zero, no nothing. At the end of the age, everybody comes out together, God separates everybody and that's the way it is. And they say the reason they believe that is because right here in verse 29 it says, "They all come forth to the resurrection of life, the resurrection of damnation," and there's no distinction and there's no time in between and there's no nothing.
Well, now let me say this to you. This does not have to mean a single resurrection of everybody. In the first place, the word "hour," the hour is coming, that doesn't have to mean a particular moment, does it? We've just seen one hour that lasted 1900 years. Another thing is the Scripture clearly teaches that the resurrection of believers and the resurrection of unbelievers physically is separated by at least 1000 years called the Kingdom.
Let me show you what I mean. We know that the resurrection doesn't all happen at once, part of it has already happened. You know that already part of the resurrection happened? Matthew 27:52 and 53 says that when Christ died, the graves were opened and dead were raised. And finally after the resurrection they came out of the graves. So that in itself shows that it all doesn't have to happen at the same moment. That's Matthew 27, in case you're noting it.
But then there's another very important verse and I want to show you a couple of these and then we'll wrap it up. Luke 13 and Luke 13 tells us that there's a distinction between the resurrection of the just and the unjust. Luke 14 verse 13, all right, Christ is teaching in parables and He says in verse 13, "But when thou givest a feast, call the poor, the maimed, the lame, the blind and thou shalt be blessed, for they cannot recompense thee for thou shalt be recompensed at the resurrection of...what?...the just." You see, there is a distinct term that implies that the resurrection of believers is a particular resurrection all of its own...the resurrection of the just.

It is just part of another sermon that you can find here:
http://www.gty.org/resources/sermons/1509B/the-two-resurrections

 

Iconoclast

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Welcome to the BB.

Some understand Mt 24 to be speaking as it says to that generation....those who actually were on earth when Jesus was.
They understand Mt 24 to speak of the last days of Israel theocracy...Mt 21:43

They also understand 1 thes 4 to speak of the last day.
 

Tom Butler

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The first teaching I ever heard on the end-times was the pre-trib rapture viewpoint. Then, a new pastor at my church preached from a post-trib view. After the service, we rushed to the front to challenge him.

He held up his hand and said, "OK, we're not going to debate this right now. You have an assignment. Search the scriptures and bring back every verse which clearly, unmistakeably and incrontrovertibly teaches a pre-trib rapture."

His point was that for such an important doctrine, there ought to be clear scripture which leaves no doubt and and is not subject to any other interpretation.

I'm still looking.
 
You can't ignore the truth OR.
He states it fairly well as he does in most of his sermons.

You could say the same thing about those in the amill, post, and historical pre-mill camps, too. That wouldn't make them wrong just because they disagree with your view...

As the old saying goes, "to each his own..."
 

OldRegular

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The first teaching I ever heard on the end-times was the pre-trib rapture viewpoint. Then, a new pastor at my church preached from a post-trib view. After the service, we rushed to the front to challenge him.

He held up his hand and said, "OK, we're not going to debate this right now. You have an assignment. Search the scriptures and bring back every verse which clearly, unmistakeably and incrontrovertibly teaches a pre-trib rapture."

His point was that for such an important doctrine, there ought to be clear scripture which leaves no doubt and and is not subject to any other interpretation.

I'm still looking.

It is not there. The pre-trib-rapture is the invention of John Nelson Darby. He claims he found it in Isaiah 32!

From: http://www.pre-trib.org/data/pdf/Ice-JohnNelsonDarbyandth.pdf

DARBY’S NEW THEOLOGICAL PARADIGM

These five biblical discoveries noted above are the basis upon which Darby builds his new theological paradigm that includes dispensationalism and pretribulationalism. From the beginning of Darby’s dissent from the established church, these items were core essentials upon which he began to build his unique theology. Stunt concludes, “it was in these months that finally the questions in his mind began to resolve themselves. Central to his faith from now on was the belief that he and all Christians were ‘united to Christ in heaven’, and delivered ‘by the power of His resurrection.’” Carter sees “its radical distinction between the Jewish and Gentile dispensations—‘the hinge’, as Darby referred to it, . . . the distinction between these two dispensations forms the basis for Darby’s understanding of both ecclesiology and eschatology.” These items are important since pretribulationism is built upon first one’s view of ecclesiology that is set within a certain eschatological framework. Darby perceives a clear distinction between Israel and the church. “It is important to notice here that Darby came to the realization of these points alone, without the influence of other men,” surmised Weremchuk. “Darby’s views, when fully developed later, would prove to be in many points contrary to the ones normally accepted by the church at large.”60 It was during Darby’s convalescence that the original spark of his ideas burst forth from his personal Bible study and fanned into the flames of his theology during the next decade and beyond.

It has been long recognized that pretribulationism is built upon one’s view of ecclesiology as much or more than one’s eschatology. The greatest pretribulationist scholar of the twentieth century was the late John F. Walvoord of Dallas Theological Seminary, who recognized the central place of ecclesiology in support of pretribulationism. Walvoord writes:

"What is essential to premillennialism becomes an indispensable foundation in the study of pretribulationism. It is safe to say that pretribulationism depends on a particular definition of the church, and any consideration of pretribulationism that does not take this major factor into consideration will be largely beside the point."​

/snip/

Darby did not just develop an ecclesiology that was isolated from interaction with other areas of theology. Rather, he clearly set it against God’s plan for Israel. In one of his convalescence statements he said:

"Isaiah xxxii. it was that taught me about the new dispensation. I saw there would be a Davidic reign, and did not know whether the church might not be removed before forty years’ time. At that time I was ill with my knee. It gave me peace to see what the church was. I saw that I, poor, wretched, and sinful J. N. D., knowing too much yet not enough about myself, was left behind, and let go, but I was united to Christ in heaven."​

Thus, Darby sees the church as distinct from Israel, since there would be a Davidic reign for Israel in the millennium, God’s earthly people. On the other hand, Darby saw that he was positionally united with Christ in heaven, a heavenly destiny.

Dispensationalists today see such a distinction as their sine qua non. Leading dispensational spokesman Charles Ryrie says, “A dispensationalist keeps Israel and the church distinct.” Ryrie explains:

"This is probably the most basic theological test of whether or not a person is a dispensationalist, and it is undoubtedly the most practical and conclusive. The one who fails to distinguish Israel and the church consistently will inevitably not hold to dispensational distinctions; and one who does will.​
 
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OldRegular

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You can't ignore the truth OR.
He states it fairly well as he does in most of his sermons.

You and all pre-trib-dispensationalists are ignoring the truth taught in John 5 :28, 29. Very Sad Indeed!

John 5:28,29, KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
 

DHK

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You and all pre-trib-dispensationalists are ignoring the truth taught in John 5 :28, 29. Very Sad Indeed!

John 5:28,29, KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
As MacArthur lays all the Scripture out for you in his sermon which centers specifically on this passage, this passage specifically says (as it does throughout the rest of the Bible), that there are two resurrections:
1. the resurrection of life,
2. the resurrection of damnation.

Scripture does not contradict scripture. We learn from other scripture that these two resurrections are separated by at least one thousand years.
 

OldRegular

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As MacArthur lays all the Scripture out for you in his sermon which centers specifically on this passage, this passage specifically says (as it does throughout the rest of the Bible), that there are two resurrections:
1. the resurrection of life,
2. the resurrection of damnation.

Scripture does not contradict scripture. We learn from other scripture that these two resurrections are separated by at least one thousand years.

Read the entire passage please!

John 5:28,29, KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.


the hour is coming, in the which all

The Greek word translated ‘hour’ occurs 108 times in the New Testament. It is translated hour 89 times. The meaning of the word [from Thayer's Greek Lexicon] is as follows:

1 a certain definite time or season fixed by natural law and returning with the revolving year
1a of the seasons of the year, spring, summer, autumn, winter​
2 the daytime [bounded by the rising and setting of the sun], a day
3 a twelfth part of the day-time, an hour, [the twelve hours of the day are reckoned from the rising to the setting of the sun]
4 any definite time, point of time, moment​

Two passages in the New Testament where the usage of the word ‘hora’ obviously refers to a brief period of time or a specific time are as follows:

Matthew 26:40, KJV
40 And he cometh unto the disciples, and findeth them asleep, and saith unto Peter, What, could ye not watch with me one hour?

Matthew 27:45, KJV
45 Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour.

The teaching of John 5:28, 29 is that in the same hour, this brief, specific period of time, all that are in the graves shall hear His voice, And shall come forth. What else can this mean but a general resurrection, a resurrection that will include everyone, saved and lost, at the return of Jesus Christ and the end of the age. I am not alone in this belief. The vast majority of Baptist Confessions throughout Baptist history also contend for a general resurrection and judgment.

Consider again:

John 5:28,29, KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.


1. The hour: One period of time.

2. All that are in the graves: All that are in the graves means all the dead!

3. Shall hear his voice: His voice, one voice, one time.

4. And shall come forth: All shall hear His voice and shall come forth.

Now who comes forth?

5. They that have done good and they that have done evil. That is all, everyone, period.


Scripture states that there shall be one general resurrection yet some pre-trib-dispensationalists have as many as FIVE and possibly more! As shown in the following post John Walvoord former president of the Dallas Seminary has SEVEN!
 
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OldRegular

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John F. Walvoord’s Interpretation of Revelation 20:4-6.

The following view is by John F. Walvoord, a contemporary dispensational theologian, and former president of the Dallas Theological Seminary. The information is excerpted from Major Bible Prophecies, page 376ff. Please notice how Walvoord changes the First Resurrection of Revelation 20:4-6 into the Fifth Resurrection.

Note: The emphasis is mine!


The Origin of the First Resurrection

The term “the first resurrection” is found in Revelation 20:5-6: “[The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.] This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.”
Theologians who attempt to put all the resurrections together into one grand resurrection at the end of the present age find in the expression “the first resurrection” sufficient proof that there is no previous resurrection. It does not take much investigation of Scripture, however, to find that this is a false deduction. Several resurrections precede that which is called “the first resurrection.” This becomes evident when the order of the various resurrections is laid out.


The Order of Resurrections

Though there are numerous restorations to life in both the Old and New Testaments, resurrection in the sense of being given a resurrection body that will last forever did not occur until Jesus Christ was raised from the dead. His resurrection is the first resurrection [Matthew 28:1 -7; Mark 16:1-11; Luke 24:1-12; John 20:1-18].

The second resurrection is recorded in Matthew 27:50-53. The Scriptures declare that when the earthquake occurred at the time of Christ’s resurrection, tombs were broken open and bodies of holy people who had died were raised to life. Later, after Christ was raised from the dead, a number of these individuals were seen in Jerusalem. At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook and the rocks split. The tombs broke open and the bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. They came out of the tombs, and after Jesus’ resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many people [vv 51-53]. The sequence of events seems to be that at the time of the earthquake when Christ died the tombs were broken open - that is, unsealed. The resurrection and the appearance of the people who were raised from the tombs, however, did not occur until after Jesus’ resurrection.

The third resurrection will occur in connection with the rapture of the church [1 Thessalonians. 4:13-18; cf. 1 Corinthians 15:50-53]. At the Rapture “the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air” [1 Thess. 4:16-17]. This resurrection apparently refers to everyone who is baptized into the body of Christ from the Day of Pentecost until the Rapture. Old Testament saints seem to be resurrected at a later time.

The fourth resurrection is prophesied in Revelation 11. Two witnesses who will be killed for their testimony will be left lying in the streets of Jerusalem and will be raised from the dead on the third day [v. 8]. “After the three and a half days a breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and terror struck those who saw them. Then they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, ‘Come up here.’ And they went up to heaven in a cloud, while their enemies looked on” [vv, 11-12].

The fifth resurrection is described in Revelation 20:4-6. As the context indicates, this resurrection has to do with the martyred dead of the Great Tribulation. John wrote, “And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years” [v. 4]. If the resurrection at the Rapture covers all of the saints of the present age since Pentecost, this resurrection relates to the saints who will die in the period between the Rapture and the Second Coming. This will include the martyred dead that are mentioned here specifically. It is amazing how scholars have ignored the plain statement of this passage and tried to make it a general resurrection of all the dead or even make it a reference to the new birth of the believer at the time of his faith in Christ.

The Scriptures here show plainly that this resurrection refers to a particular class of people who will be raised in connection with the Second Coming of Christ.

The sixth resurrection will be that of the Old Testament saints: “Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt” [Daniel 12:2]. Though the fact that all people who die will be raised is commonly assumed in the Old Testament, there are relatively few references that speak specifically of their resurrection. This is one of the major passages.

A second major prediction of this resurrection is found in Isaiah 26:19: “But your dead will live; their bodies will rise. You who dwell in the dust, wake up and shout for joy. Your dew is like the clew of the morning; the earth will give birth to her dead.”

A third major reference is found in Ezekiel 37 in connection with the restoration of the children of Israel. Though the figure is largely that of the restoration of the nation of Israel, bodily resurrection is also mentioned in verses 13-14: “Then you, my people, will know that I am the LORD, when I open your graves and bring you up from them. I will put my Spirit in you and you will live, and I will settle you in your own land. Then you will know that I the LORD have spoken, and I have done it, declares the LORD.”

According to Daniel 12:1, this resurrection will come at the close of the tribulation period described in Daniel 11:36-45: “There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people-everyone whose name is found written in the book--will be delivered”. The resurrection is mentioned specifically in the verse that follows. Though the chronological arrangement of this passage in relation to the resurrection of the Tribulation dead is not given in Scripture, it is probable that this will follow the resurrection of the Tribulation dead, and the Old Testament saints, accordingly, will be in the sixth and final resurrection of the righteous.

The last resurrection has to do with the judgment of the Great White Throne as recorded in Revelation 20:11-15. In this resurrection all the wicked dead, who up to this time have been in Hades, will be resurrected and cast into the lake of fire.

The order of these seven resurrections should make plain that the resurrection of Revelation 20:5-6 is not first in the sense of being before all previous resurrections. If that is not the meaning, what does the term “the first resurrection” mean?


The Nature of the First Resurrection

As the context indicates, the resurrection of the Tribulation dead will follow the Tribulation but precede the millennial kingdom. In Revelation 20:7-10 the millennial kingdom follows the resurrection of the Tribulation dead. During this time Satan will be bound [vv. 1-3]. At the end of the thousand years Satan will be let loose and will cause a rebellion against God. Then he will be judged and cast into the lake of burning sulfur [v. 10]. Accordingly, the point of the term “the first resurrection” is that it is first, not in the sense of being number one or prior to all resurrections, but in the sense that it occurs before the final resurrection, the resurrection of the wicked. In other words, the Tribulation dead will be raised before the millennial kingdom and before the resurrection of the wicked at the Great White Throne judgment. To use the term “first resurrection” to refer to the new birth, as amillenarians do in evading the teaching of this passage on the millennial kingdom, or to refer to it as the Rapture, as posttribulationists do, based on the idea that there could not be a resurrection before this, are both inadequate explanations of the expression. The doctrine of resurrection falls into place when one recognizes that that there is a series of resurrections in Scripture, beginning with the resurrection of Christ and ending with the resurrection of the wicked. In this series the resurrection of the martyred dead of the Great Tribulation is resurrection number five and is probably followed by the resurrection of the Old Testament saints. The resurrection of the wicked is the last resurrection.
 
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DHK

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John F. Walvoord’s Interpretation of Revelation 20:4-6.

The following view is by John F. Walvoord, a contemporary dispensational theologian, and former president of the Dallas Theological Seminary. The information is excerpted from Major Bible Prophecies, page 376ff. Please notice how Walvoord changes the First Resurrection of Revelation 20:4-6 into the Fifth Resurrection.

Note: The emphasis is mine!
And he is right. MacArthur harmonizes them all--all five, so that there are really only two resurrections in that passage.
 

DHK

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John F. Walvoord’s Interpretation of Revelation 20:4-6.

The following view is by John F. Walvoord, a contemporary dispensational theologian, and former president of the Dallas Theological Seminary. The information is excerpted from Major Bible Prophecies, page 376ff. Please notice how Walvoord changes the First Resurrection of Revelation 20:4-6 into the Fifth Resurrection.

Jesus Christ was raised from the dead. His resurrection is the first resurrection.

The second resurrection is recorded in Matthew 27:50-53. The Scriptures declare that when the earthquake occurred at the time of Christ’s resurrection, tombs were broken open and bodies of holy people who had died were raised to life.

The third resurrection will occur in connection with the rapture of the church [1 Thessalonians. 4:13-18; cf. 1 Corinthians 15:50-53]. At the Rapture “the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air” [1 Thess. 4:16-17]. This resurrection apparently refers to everyone who is baptized into the body of Christ from the Day of Pentecost until the Rapture. Old Testament saints seem to be resurrected at a later time.

The fourth resurrection is prophesied in Revelation 11. Two witnesses who will be killed for their testimony will be left lying in the streets of Jerusalem and will be raised from the dead on the third day [v. 8].

The last resurrection has to do with the judgment of the Great White Throne as recorded in Revelation 20:11-15. In this resurrection all the wicked dead, who up to this time have been in Hades, will be resurrected and cast into the lake of fire.

I have posted above five of the resurrections Walvoord has in your quote.
Let's look at them.
But first, as far as I can tell, from what you have posted you seem to believe that there is one and only one resurrection--and that is the one referred to in John 5:28,28. Correct?

If that be true, then you deny the resurrection of Christ, and you deny the resurrection of the saints that followed Christ, correct? If you don't deny these two resurrections then you are up to three resurrections, and four resurrections if we can demonstrate that John 5:28,29 is speaking of two resurrections.

Walvoord also mentions the two witnesses in Revelation who will be martyred and their bodies will ascend into heaven (or be resurrected). That is a "fifth" resurrection. So there we have it. All five.
Which do you deny?
Two of them are past already. They are history. Do you deny them?
Which of the remaining three do you deny?
Why are you against Walvoord for listing them as such?
MacArthur, I believe, groups them all into just two resurrections. But then you would have to read him to find out how he does that.

Really, is there just one resurrection?
 

OldRegular

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Jesus Christ was raised from the dead. His resurrection is the first resurrection.

Heh! You finally got something correct. Jesus Christ is the first and only resurrection to date. Those who have part in the First Resurrection are those saved through faith in Jesus Christ. Over these the second death has no power!

The second resurrection is recorded in Matthew 27:50-53. The Scriptures declare that when the earthquake occurred at the time of Christ’s resurrection, tombs were broken open and bodies of holy people who had died were raised to life.
There is no indication in the Bible that indicates this was a raising with a glorified body or whether these people returned to the grave.

Could it, could it just be possible this is the pre-trib-rapture you people get so excited about? Could it?

Certainly Christians have endured tribulation for 2000 years just as Jesus Christ promised:

John 16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

The third resurrection will occur in connection with the rapture of the church [1 Thessalonians. 4:13-18; cf. 1 Corinthians 15:50-53]. At the Rapture “the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air” [1 Thess. 4:16-17]. This resurrection apparently refers to everyone who is baptized into the body of Christ from the Day of Pentecost until the Rapture. Old Testament saints seem to be resurrected at a later time.

The fourth resurrection is prophesied in Revelation 11. Two witnesses who will be killed for their testimony will be left lying in the streets of Jerusalem and will be raised from the dead on the third day [v. 8].

The last resurrection has to do with the judgment of the Great White Throne as recorded in Revelation 20:11-15. In this resurrection all the wicked dead, who up to this time have been in Hades, will be resurrected and cast into the lake of fire.

I have posted above five of the resurrections Walvoord has in your quote.
Let's look at them.
But first, as far as I can tell, from what you have posted you seem to believe that there is one and only one resurrection--and that is the one referred to in John 5:28,28. Correct?

If that be true, then you deny the resurrection of Christ, and you deny the resurrection of the saints that followed Christ, correct? If you don't deny these two resurrections then you are up to three resurrections, and four resurrections if we can demonstrate that John 5:28,29 is speaking of two resurrections.

Walvoord also mentions the two witnesses in Revelation who will be martyred and their bodies will ascend into heaven (or be resurrected). That is a "fifth" resurrection. So there we have it. All five.
Which do you deny?
Two of them are past already. They are history. Do you deny them?
Which of the remaining three do you deny?
Why are you against Walvoord for listing them as such?
MacArthur, I believe, groups them all into just two resurrections. But then you would have to read him to find out how he does that.

Really, is there just one resurrection?

Really there is just one more resurrection. The Bible teaches it, I believe it, John Nelson Darby and pre-rib-dispensationalism is simply wrong doctrine, especially their doctrine of the "parenthesis" Church, or God's interruption in His program for Israel!
 
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