Originally posted by TCassidy:
First of all, could you please learn to use the quote function properly, then do a little judicious editing. It is not necessary to quote everything the previous poster posted, just that to which you are replying.
Sorry, but I am not one of your students, and did not know I was upsetting you. Notice you are a Professor, and I congratulate you. I don’t however believe this title gives a right of holding animus, and nattering does not help.
As you may have noticed, I don’t spend too much active time on this board and like references in front of me. I work best in my own environment, and endure procedure’s different than mine, without whining.
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by ituttut:
QUOTE]No. You seem to have missed the point.
I don’t believe I did.
The point was that the church (ekklhsia) is more than just "called out." It is a called out assembly
I agree.
Their promises were of the “earth”. We agree.
No, we don't.
You don’t believe God made covenant, and oath of promise to Abraham, and his seed?
(snipped as outside of responders range)
Again, lets get back on the subject The Identity of the New Testament Church.
You have misread, and contradicted yourself, as to you contention that there is no “universal” church. You are saying “each and every scriptural local church is a body of believers belonging to Christ, the body of Christ: You speak of a “universal” church, unless you are saying Christ Jesus is not the head of the Body.
Once again you have failed to understand. I did not mention a "universal church." I spoke only of each local church over which the Lord is Head.
You speak well, and you speak of the “universal church” of the Body of Christ, within the genus of that Church.
But Cassidy does it not strike you as odd that you could not have known this if you hadn’t read the writings of Paul first? What does Jesus say, and what was understood while He was on earth? ”The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it,” Luke 16:16. The law and the prophets were not “mystery”, and the kingdom of God is “at hand” that was preached by John the Baptist, Jesus and the Apostles is no “mystery”.
Once again you have failed to stay on the subject, The Identity of the New Testament Church.
I see these topics throw you off course, so I’ll try to follow wherever you may wish to go. But if not understood how are we to know the Identity of the New Testament Body of Christ, for the Body of Christ was not known until Christ revealed it from heaven?
Please enlighten me by scripture free of contradiction with the Word.
The Scriptures don't contradict themselves. Just read 1 Thess 4 and see that it is all the saints who will be caught up, not just church members.
Will all be raised at the Rapture? I don’t see how for those of old are of “prophecy”. The Body of Christ is a mystery, and not in prophecy and we being caught up to Christ in the air was only known by God. The rapture is for those in the “mystery”, and this is Our resurrection, Jesus Christ’s “inheritance”. We are already with Him in heaven when that “first” resurrection occurs, which is after Christ Jesus comes to this earth again, as the King of the Jews.
Do I understand you correctly? If so, you believe the same as I, we all being baptized with the Holy Spirit.
No. I am not a Crazymatic. The Baptism of the Holy Spirit was a one-time event that took place on the day of Pentecost.
I thought Jesus was the first one baptized of the Holy Ghost, and then the 120. Christ’s chosen Apostle to the Gentile, Paul is a “Crazymatic”? I’ll not try to intervene here between you two.
Are, are you saying all that are “water baptized” will be caught up?
No, I am saying exactly what I said. All the saints will be caught up.
[/qb]We at the rapture, and the others later.
Where is the “mystery” if all is the same as before (without the Only Begotten Son of God)? We are in the Body of Christ the Church.
It is now plain to me that you don't understand what "mystery" means. When we see the word "mystery" in our bibles it does not mean "who done it" but rather, the unveiling of that which was previously unknown. The church of the gentiles was previously unknown to the Jews.
The Body of Christ was not known by anyone, save God. See, you do agree with me, for that is what I have been presenting to you, but today you must allow the Jew in for they are saved in the same manner as we. You are preaching the “dispensational” gospel of Paul, and don’t know it. We today live in the secret time of the Body of Christ. Salvation in the genus of His Church is “universal”.
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