Questions about the Sabbath of the LORD thy God, this subject is interesting don't you think so?

[Alofa Atu]

Colossians 2

16Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day— 17things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ. 18Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by delighting in self-abasement and the worship of the angels, taking his stand on visions he has seen, inflated without cause by his fleshly mind,

Yes, I can read too, and it says nothing about singular 'sabbath day', its plural, 'sabbaths' (sabbatwn)

Col 2:16 μη ουν τις υμας κρινετω εν βρωσει η εν ποσει η εν μερει εορτης η νουμηνιας η σαββατων

it speaks of plural, "sabbath days" (or 'of sabbaths'). The context, is also not concerned with all 'sabbaths' but is limited in scope, to that which is "shadow" (not light, not body or substance), that which is "of things to come" (type pointing to the future events) and of "ordinances", as follows.

[1] The Sabbath of the LORD thy God, of Creation (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11), was given to mankind (Adam) before the sin of mankind (Mark 2:27), before the need of shadow and type, which were given after the sin of mankind, under the Levitical priesthood.

[2] The Sabbath of the LORD the God, is a memorial (pointing backwards, thu the words "Remember" (Exodus 20:8)), to a perfect world without sin, perfect relationship, perfect rest), and is not pointing to the future.

[3] The Sabbath of the LORD thy God, is singular and specific. "The seventh day" "the sabbath" "of the LORD thy God".

Exodus 20:8 KJB - Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exodus 20:9 KJB - Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exodus 20:10 KJB - But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exodus 20:11 KJB - For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Exodus 20:8 HOT - זכור את־יום השׁבת לקדשׁו׃
Exodus 20:9 HOT - שׁשׁת ימים תעבד ועשׂית כל־מלאכתך׃
Exodus 20:10 HOT - ויום השׁביעי שׁבת ליהוה אלהיך לא־תעשׂה כל־מלאכה אתה ובנך־ובתך עבדך ואמתך ובהמתך וגרך אשׁר בשׁעריך׃
Exodus 20:11 HOT - כי שׁשׁת־ימים עשׂה יהוה את־השׁמים ואת־הארץ את־הים ואת־כל־אשׁר־בם וינח ביום השׁביעי על־כן ברך יהוה את־יום השׁבת ויקדשׁהו׃

Exodus 20:8 HOT Translit. - zäkhôr et-yôm haSHaBät l'qaD'shô
Exodus 20:9 HOT Translit. - shëshet yämiym Taávod w'äsiytä Käl-m'lakh'Tekhä
Exodus20:10 HOT Translit. -w'yôm haSH'viyiy shaBät layhwäh éloheykhä lo-taáseh khäl-m'läkhäh aTäh ûvin'khä-ûviTekhä av'D'khä waámät'khä ûv'hem'Tekhä w'gër'khä ásher Bish'äreykhä
Exodus 20:11 HOT Translit. - Kiy shëshet-yämiym äsäh y'hwäh et-haSHämayim w'et-hääretz et-haYäm w'et-Käl-ásher-Bäm waYänach BaYôm haSH'viyiy al-Kën Bërakh' y'hwäh et-yôm haSHaBät way'qaD'shëhû š

[4] The Sabbath of the LORD is separate from the yearly festal sabbaths, as denoted in Leviticus 23 (see Leviticus 23:3; then see Leviticus 23:4,38 "beside the sabbaths of the LORD")

[5] The Sabbath of the LORD thy God, is called "the sabbath of the LORD" (Exodus 20:8-11, etc), and "My sabbaths" (Isaiah 56:4; Ezekiel 20:20), as opposed to theirs, called "your sabbaths" (Leviticus 26:34,35), and "her sabbaths" (Leviticus 26:34,43; 2 Chronicles 26:31; Lamentations 1:7; Hosea 2:11), etc.

[6] Colossians 2, in its entire context says nothing about "the seventh day", but speaks of merely the shadow sabbaths (plural, not singular), and says nothing of "commandment" (as Luke 23:54,56 does), but speaks of wordly "ordinances" (Colossians 2:14,20).

[7] Colossians 2, speaks of "sins" (Colossian 2:13), which is "transgression of the law" (1 John 3:4), of which the 4th Commandment (Exodus 20:8-11) is central, whereas the yearly (and of years) sabbaths are not given in the Ten Commandments at all

It is only speaking about specific sabbaths, as Paul is quoting from Ezekiel 45:17, and the context in both places is only to 'ordinances', not God's Law of the Ten Commandments. It is dealing with things like Passover, oil, etc, not the spiritual (Romans 7:14) Law of God.

The Law of God (10C) are never "shadow", but always "light":

Pro_6:23 For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light; and reproofs of instruction are the way of life:

Psa_119:105 NUN. Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.

Psa 119:109 My soul is continually in my hand: yet do I not forget thy law.

Isa_8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Isa_51:4 Hearken unto me, my people; and give ear unto me, O my nation: for a law shall proceed from me, and I will make my judgment to rest for a light of the people.

Colossians 2 is not only citing Ezekiel 45:17 (which is in the order of Numbers) and Psalms 98:1-3, it is also referenced similarly in Ephesians 2 and Hebrews 9-10:

The Sabbath of the LORD thy God is always called "my [as in God's] sabbaths", and the others in Leviticus 23:4 onward are called "your [the peoples] sabbaths" [Leviticus 26:35] which are "beside [given in addition to] the sabbaths of the LORD" [Leviticus 23:38]. The Ten Commandments, including the Sabbath of the 4th Commandment, are "light" [Proverbs 6:23, Isaiah 8:20, 51:4], never a "shadow", are "spiritual" [Romans 7:14], never "carnal" [Hebrews 9:10].

Colossians 2:14 - "ordinances"

Ephesians 2:15 - "law of commandments contained in ordinances"

Hebrews 9:1 - "ordinances of divine service"

Hebrews 9:10 - "carnal ordinances"


Colossians 2:16 - "in meat, or in drink" [offerings]

Hebrews 9:10 - "meats and drinks" [offerings]


Colossians 2:12 - "also ye are risen with him"

Ephesians 2:6 - "raised us up together"


Colossians 2:16 - "a shadow of things to come"

Ephesians 2:7 - "in the ages to come"

Hebrews 9:11 - "of good things to come"

Hebrews 10:1 - "the law having a shadow of good things to come", "those sacrifices", "offered year by year"


None of the Ten Commandments deal with carnal sacrifices.

 

[Alofa Atu]

Wow its like scripture describes a buddy perfectly

1. Judge on food you eat and drink.
2. whines about sabbath day
3. Worships the angel Michael

[1] The Bible judges you on food and drink, and am simply telling you to repent for your own health, and longevity;

1Co_10:31 Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.

1Co_6:13 Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body.

Php_3:19 Whose end is destruction, whose God is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame, who mind earthly things.)

etc.

[2] Revelation 14:6-12.

What "commandment" does Revelation 14:7 specifically refer to when it says, "worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters", as noted among those "commandments" referred to in Revelation 14:12?

Do you teach that the "commandments" are the Ten Commandments, and that the phrase: "worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters" refers to Exodus 20:11, "For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is" and that the "Mark of the Beast" will be a counterfeit, or substitution of this aspect of God's Law? as the following chart shows?

[3] Way off OP, however (though the distraction is as thick as the flies of the Egyptian plague), Of course I worship the Son of God, don't you? Oh, wait you're Roman Catholic, nevermind ... you imagine you eat his dead corpse and drink dead blood, almost forgot about that ...

Melito of Sardis said:

Melito of Sardis (wrote AD 165 – AD 175, died c. AD 180) was the bishop of Sardis near Smyrna in western Anatolia.

Cureton's Spicilegium Syriacum, contaning remains of Bardeson, Meliton, Ambrose and Mara Bar Serapion. Now first edited, with an English translation and notes, by the Rev. William Cureton, M.A. F.R.S. Chaplain in Ordinary to the Queen, Rector of St. Margaret's, and Canon of Westminster. London: Francis and John Rivington, St. Paul's Churchyard and Waterloo Place. 1855. "... [Page 53] From Meliton the Bishop; On Faith.

We have made collections from the Law and the Prophets relative to those things which have been declared respecting our Lord Jesus Christ, that we may prove to your love, that He is perfect reason, the Word of God; who was begotten before the light; who was Creator together with the Father; who was the fashioner of man; who was all in all; who among the Patriarchs was Patriarch; who in the law was the Law; among the priests Chief priest; amongst kings Governor; among prophets the Prophet; among the angels Archangel; in the Voice the Word; among spirits Spirit; in the Father the Son; in God God- the king forever and ever. For this was He who was pilot to Noah; who conducted Abraham; who was bound with Isaac, who was in exile with Jacob, who was sold with Joseph, who was captain with Moses; who was the divider of the inheritance with Jesus the Son of Nun, who in David and the prophets foretold his own sufferings, who was incarnate in the Virgin, who was born at Bethlehem, (33) who was wrapped in swaddling clothes in the manger, who was seen of the shepherd, who was glorified of the angels, who was worshipped of the Magi, who was pointed out by John, who assembled the Apostles, who preached the kingdom, who healed the maimed, who gave light to the blind, who raised the dead, who appeared in the temple, who was not believed on by the people, who was betrayed by [Page 53-54] Judas, who was laid hold on by the priests, who was condemned by Pilate, who was transfixed in the flesh, who was hanged upon the tree, who was buried in the earth, who rose from the dead, who appeared to the Apostles, who ascended to heaven, who sitteth on the right hand of the Father, who is the rest of those that are departed, the recoverer of those who were lost, the light of those who are in darkness, the deliverer of those who are captives, the guide of those who have gone astray, the refuge of the afflicted, the bridegroom of the Church, the charioteer of the Cherubim, the captain of the angels, God who is of God, the Son who is of the Father, Jesus Christ, the King for ever and ever. Amen. ..." [Pages 53-54] - Spicilegium Syriacum: containing remains of Bardesan, Meliton, Ambrose and Mara Bar Serapion. Now first edited, with an English translation and notes Spicilegium Syriacum: containing remains of Bardesan, Meliton, Ambrose and Mara Bar Serapion. Now first edited, with an English translation and notes

If you would like to discuss the subject of Michael, from both the Bible and history, please begin a new thread, as I would be willing to look at that with you.

 

[Adonia]

Luke 5

39“And no one, after drinking old wine wishes for new; for he says, ‘The old is good enough.’”

Do you prefer FRESH grape juice or OLD grape juice?

As most people who do drink know OLD WINE is better. But you want FRESHEST Juice possible. You want fresh orange juice not juice that sits there a couple of days.



John 2

10and said to him, “Every man serves the good wine first, and when the people have drunk freely, then he serves the poorer wine; but you have kept the good wine until now.”

The guy in this verse is COMPLAINING. Why? Cause drinkers drink the GOOD STUFF first because its better appreciated after you are drunk it doesn't matter what you drink.



No to Bacon? No to Pepperoni Pizza?

Thats hell already.


Colossians 2

16Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day— 17things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ. 18Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by delighting in self-abasement and the worship of the angels, taking his stand on visions he has seen, inflated without cause by his fleshly mind,

Wow its like scripture describes a buddy perfectly

1. Judge on food you eat and drink.
2. whines about sabbath day
3. Worships the angel Michael

Old wine or new, if it's called wine it has alcohol in it. The other stuff (non-fermented) grapes is called grape juice. And I am with you on the pepperoni pizza, plus we can't forget BBQ! (I just love "Baby Back" ribs, smoked to perfection of course!)

 

[Alofa Atu]

... And I am with you on the pepperoni pizza, plus we can't forget BBQ! (I just love "Baby Back" ribs, smoked to perfection of course!)

Pro_8:36 But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.

Watch even 10 minutes of this (I saw the whole thing)

 

[Alofa Atu]

Old wine or new, if it's called wine it has alcohol in it. The other stuff (non-fermented) grapes is called grape juice. .

Just shows your ignorance (not knowing) of scripture and its use of the word 'wine' and shows your ignorance of the historical use of the word 'wine', and shows your ignorance of even the current use of the word 'wine'.

Two 'kinds' in the scripture.

[1] Isa_16:10 And gladness is taken away, and joy out of the plentiful field; and in the vineyards there shall be no singing, neither shall there be shouting: the treaders shall tread out no wine in their presses; I have made their vintage shouting to cease.

[2] Pro_20:1 Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.

2 Kinds in modern use:

"Wine – noun

... [3]. the juice, fermented or unfermented, of various other fruits or plants, used as a beverage, sauce, etc. ..." [Wine, definition] - the definition of wine

"Wine - noun

... something that invigorates or intoxicates ..." [Wine, definition] - Definition of WINE

And for additional purposes...

See that word, "intoxicate"? What does the word "intoxicate" mean?

Word Definition:

"Intoxicate - transitive verb

1 poison

2 a : to excite or stupefy by alcohol or a drug especially to the point where physical and mental control is markedly diminished b : to excite or elate to the point of enthusiasm or frenzy" [Intoxicate, definition] - Definition of INTOXICATE

Let us also ask a very basic question pertaining to these, "Can a person who is “intoxicated” [“poisons”] by any amount of such 'kind' of “wine” which is “alcoholic” bring “glory to God” in their drinking?"

What does the alcohol do to a persons health?

It impairs brain activity, slows down reactionary time, attacks kidneys, liver, bloodstream, causing cancer, disease, dizziness, loose morality, causing one to forget, relaxes and/or reduces self-control [thus giving up of the will], etc and is one of the major leading causes of death, abuse and misery in the world. Even the smallest amount begins to break down the immune system of the human body [multiple medical research reports can be cited for these facts if needed, though it should be plainly obvious [but for a brief, http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/yourlif....s_N.htm ], also ask those of SADD and MADD].

Two kinds in Historical use:

However, let us also consider further history of the word "wine":

Aristotle ["...(384 BC – 322 BC)[1] was a Greek philosopher and polymath, a student of Plato and teacher of Alexander the Great." [Wikipedia - Aristotle - Wikipedia ]] said, "...Sweet wine does give off fumes, for it contains fat and behaves like oil. It does not solidify under the influence of cold and it is apt to burn. Really it is not wine at all in spite of its name: for it does not taste like wine and consequently does not inebriate as ordinary wine does. ...

...(Wine is a liquid which raises a difficulty: for it is both liable to evaporation and it also thickens; for instance new wine does. The reason is that the word 'wine' is ambiguous and different 'wines' behave in different ways." - Meteorlogica Book IV [English] - The Internet Classics Archive | Meteorology by Aristotle

Merriam-Websters 1828 Dictionary: "MUST, n. [L. mustum; Heb. to ferment.]; New wine; wine pressed from the grape but not fermented." - http://machaut.uchicago.edu/?resour....1828=on

And for many more, consider reading [or checking the references page of] [The Bible Wine Question. The Answer To The 'Unanswerable': Or An Exposure Of The Fallacies Of Three Irish Advocates (Professors Watts, Wallace And Murphy) And Eleven Syrian Witnesses; By Frederick Richard Lees] - The Bible Wine Question

I can also recommend - Bible Wines, Laws of Fermentation; by William Patton - Bible Wines

 

[Adonia]

You have me mistaken for the Holy Spirit. Not my job. My job is to "preach the word". It is the position of the Holy Spirit to convict, and your job to listen to Him, otherwise ... not good.

Not at all. I look to Christ Jesus and His inspired and preserved word, thus I keep citing to you Isaiah 8:20, but you seem not to notice the two parts of that which is therein.

Y'awhn. More distraction. Simply accusation with no evidence (and every time that it is tried, they always make fools of themselves, do try, but please in another thread, thank you), and way off topic, unless you would like to discuss what she said on the subject of the OP.

Gal_6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

If you study that subject (again not OP), you will find that God uses the word "abomination", the strongest word in relation to what you claim to have done.

Isa_66:17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one tree in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.

I pray you read that carefully, for it is a text that deals with the final execution of judgment. You ought to look up the video on youtube of a woman who had pains in her head, and had to go in for drastic surgery and they found a larvae worm in her brain from pork:

Seriously, for your own health and longevity, please don't defy God.

As for alcohol:

Pro 20:1 Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.

No wonder you cannot think straight or make a logical argument with coherency. You just admitted to being under the influence of 'spirits', none of which are the Holy (not abomination) Spirit.

Oh good grief! There is no problem with drinking alcoholic spirits IN A RESONABLE MANNER. It is the drunkard that is rightly taken to task in the Scriptures. But imagine this scenario my friend. Jesus and the boys were going around preaching and it's around noon time. They are at a small town somewhere in Judea and one of the townsfolk invites them in for lunch. They sit down to a nicely prepared meal done by the man's wife and a goblet of wine is poured for them to drink. Wine! Yes wine, the beverage that EVERYONE had when eating their food. You can be sure that the Lord Himself had drunk plenty of the stuff during his sojourn on earth. Yes wine, the "fruit of the vine" is what everyone drank, not grape juice. See had badly your sect misrepresents the Holy Scriptures?

 

[Adonia]

Just shows your ignorance (not knowing) of scripture and its use of the word 'wine' and shows your ignorance of the historical use of the word 'wine', and shows your ignorance of even the current use of the word 'wine'.

Two 'kinds' in the scripture.

[1] Isa_16:10 And gladness is taken away, and joy out of the plentiful field; and in the vineyards there shall be no singing, neither shall there be shouting: the treaders shall tread out no wine in their presses; I have made their vintage shouting to cease.

[2] Pro_20:1 Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.

YOU have it wrong, not me. Come out from that den of fools that is leading you astray. Seriously, it didn't take until Ellen White came on the scene for the truth to be told, no sir it didn't.

 

[Alofa Atu]

YOU have it wrong, not me. Come out from that den of fools that is leading you astray. ...

1Co_14:38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.

 

[Alofa Atu]

...Seriously, it didn't take until Ellen White came on the scene for the truth to be told, no sir it didn't.

That is a total misunderstanding of her role and function (you might as well mock Daniel, or Jeremiah, or Isaiah), and a complete ignorance of what scripture says in regards what God would do at the time so specified. You have never even read one complete book of hers have you?

Take a listen - Desire of Age Project

Truth always was in existence.

 

[Alofa Atu]

Oh good grief! There is no problem with drinking alcoholic spirits IN A RESONABLE MANNER. I ...

Not possible, for any amount of alcohol takes away even the slightest bit of REASON. I cited Proverbs to you already, notice it mentions nothing about amount, but only its very nature (devils nature).

 

[GoodTidings]

Questions about the Sabbath of the LORD thy God, this subject is interesting don't you think so?


God the Father having created the world by Jesus Christ, in 6 days and so rested the 7th day, blessing and sanctifying it, was that 7th day in Genesis 2:1-3 made for Adam, and all mankind in him?

Is Jesus the second 'man', the last 'Adam' according to the scripture?

So let's cut to the chase, here. What happens to those of us who don't keep the Sabbath day? Is our salvation is jeopardy? When we die will be stand the before the Lord and be condemned to Hell for not keeping the Sabbath day?

 

[Alofa Atu]

...You can be sure that the Lord Himself had drunk plenty of the stuff during his sojourn on earth. Yes wine, the "fruit of the vine" is what everyone drank, not grape juice. See had badly your sect misrepresents the Holy Scriptures?

The 'wine' that the Bible sanctions is a first fruit of the harvest. Alcohol is never a first fruit of a harvest. it is always a process of fermentation.

Of alcoholic "wine" it is stated that ... it "stingeth like an adder" [Proverbs 23:32], "biteth like a serpent" [Proverbs 23:32], "poison of dragons" [Deuteronomy 32:33], "cruel venom of asps" [Deuteronomy 32:33], "mocker" [Proverbs 20:1], "raging" [Proverbs 20:1], "wounds without cause" [Proverbs 23:29], etc... also causing the forgetting of the Law and His Ten Commandments, and causing wrong judgment...and the Bible says "woe unto them".

Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; thatput darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! Isaiah 5:20

Woe unto [them that are] mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to mingle strong drink: Isaiah 5:22

Again, notice the very "nature" described, even without any mention of "amount". Is there a "blessing" or a "Woe" pronounced?

...and so I now ask a few more questions, based upon what we have gathered and in so looking at the terminology above, with whom are the terms associated with, Christ or Satan?

Who is the "adder"?
Who is the "serpent"?
Who is the "asp"?
Who is the "Dragon"?
Who is the one who is like a "raging" beast and lion?
Who is the one which "mocks"?
Who is the one which has given "wounds without cause"?
Who is the one who is "cruel"?

Notice the word associated with it is "poisons" and "venom", the very word linked to "intoxicating".

Notice the word "deceived" is associated with it, and who is the "deceiver", the root of all "deception"?

Does "life" "sting" or does rather "death" "sting"?

Think of the very Person whom we love, Christ Jesus, and how He was wounded without cause [pierced to the heart, pierced in hands and feet and side and head, wounded for our transgressions], for He is innocent, Lamb without spot, and who was the one which did that to Him?

Who mocked Him upon the Cross, "Come down..."?

Who Bit His Heel like a Serpent, and spat venom like the Asp and Adder?

Who wars and rages against Christ as the Dragon?

Who rages even now? And goes to make war with the remnant?

What had the devil even then tried to get Jesus to do? He tried to get Jesus to drink of the poison, and venom [Matthew 27:34; Mark 15:23], and He tried to get Jesus to sin on the Cross!

Christ Jesus poured out His life, the pure sweet blood [the prefect anti-type/reality of the pure juice of the grape] of His humanity, and the enemy sought to give him corrupted and sour/bitter wine..., but even then Jesus refused, even unto the end. Holy, Harmless, Undefiled.

All of these terms are associated with alcoholic "wine" and even far more, and so can True Christians partake of it?

We ought never partake of the alcohol, lest we be destroyed of it, lest we desire to mock Christ, desire to infect others with the cruel venom of the serpent.

 

[Alofa Atu]

So let's cut to the chase, here. What happens to those of us who don't keep the Sabbath day? Is our salvation is jeopardy? When we die will be stand the before the Lord and be condemned to Hell for not keeping the Sabbath day?

What does scripture say:

1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

1Co 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

1Co 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Rev 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

God is calling all back to Himself, even those who claim to be His already.

Act 14:15 And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein:

Act 14:16 Who in times past suffered all nations to walk in their own ways.

Act 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

You have time to choose now. Choose wisely. Study carefully, and prayerfully for your ownself. Study to show yourself approved unto God.

Rev 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

Rev 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

Rev 14:8 And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.

Rev 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

Rev 14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

 

[GoodTidings]

What does scripture say:

I am not going to sit here and read an online novel from you. I simply want a straight answer to a simple question. Will those Christians who do not keep the Sabbath day go to Hell? Yes or no? Don't pepper me with verses from the Bible that you have ripped from their context and filled with your own meaning. Just tell me what YOU believe.

Am I going to Hell for not keeping the Sabbath day?

 

[Adonia]

The 'wine' that the Bible sanctions is a first fruit of the harvest. Alcohol is never a first fruit of a harvest. it is always a process of fermentation.

Then it's not wine, it's grape juice. The Scriptures cannot lie, Jesus would not lie, the Apostles would not lie. Remember the passage where Jesus testifies about John? He says: "For John came neither eating or drinking and they say, "He has a demon!" The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, "Look at this glutton and drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!" One cannot be called a "drunkard" on non- alcoholic grape juice.

And yes, there is a "new wine" that comes out every year in France and it is called the "Nouveau Beaujolais". It is called wine and that means the grape product is alcoholic.

 

[Alofa Atu]

... Don't pepper me with verses from the Bible ...

Isaiah 8:20.

 

[Alofa Atu]

... One cannot be called a "drunkard" on non- alcoholic grape juice.

They can if the ones calling Him that were liars:

Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

They can if they were mocking His disciples:

Act_2:13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.

 

[GoodTidings]

Isaiah 8:20.

That does not answer the question. Am I going to Hell if I don't keep the Sabbath day? Yes or no?

 

[Adonia]

They can if the ones calling Him that were liars:

But in this case Jesus was speaking, and He was speaking about Himself. You see, Jesus ate and was not a glutton and Jesus drank and was not a drunkard. Those were normal things that everyone does and He was contrasting Himself with John the Baptist.

Act_2:13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.

Now wait a minute. Just previously you said that "new wine" was not alcoholic, and now you are quoting the Scripture which means to imply that these men are now drunk on this new wine. How can they get drunk on this "new wine" which you say is non-alcoholic stuff? You are all over the place with your biblical interpretations - you have little credibility at this point.

 

[Alofa Atu]

That does not answer the question.

Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. citing Exodus 20:6.

Am I going to Hell if I don't keep the Sabbath day? Yes or no?

Can time be stolen? Can affection be stolen? Can a person be robbed of health?