• Welcome to Baptist Board, a friendly forum to discuss the Baptist Faith in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to all the features that our community has to offer.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

Racial Stereotyping and Racial Prejudice

Zaac

Well-Known Member
The majority seems to think that things have gotten better. The minority continues to say it's just changed forms.

The perspective of one black man that seems to resonate consistently with what so many other black men have experienced.

Bit long but a good read.

My Family Has Been Racially Profiled Everywhere from Harvard to Our Own Home

madisonshockley2_350_250_374.jpg

Rev. Madison Shockley


What happened to Michael Brown Jr. in Ferguson, Missouri has resonated across the country with African Americans because all of us feel that it could have easily happened to any of us.

Every black person has their own story of racial profiling, especially black men. Any white person, not just police, engages in racial profiling when they suspect, avoid, follow, report or challenge a black person simply because of their race and their own idea of where black people "belong."

My own family is more typical than exceptional. I was about ten years old, and my family was living in a newly integrated part of Los Angeles in the 1960's. We had been on a family outing to the more exclusively white area of the San Fernando Valley. When returning at the end of the day, my father noticed a police car had begun following us. The police car followed us fully ten miles back to our neighborhood and didn't stop until my father pulled into the driveway of our own home.
As we exited the car, the officer got out to question my father. I remember hearing the officer ask my father, "Where do you live?" Insulted and incredulous, my father responded, "I'm standing in front of my home." After inspecting his driver license, the officer left. But he left my father standing there, embarrassed as a grown man, humiliated in front of his family, and reminded once more that in spite of his college education, middle class home and tidy children, he was no more than a criminal suspect in the eyes of America.

"The officer left my father standing there, embarrassed as a grown man, humiliated in front of his family."

I had my own initiation freshman year at Harvard College. I had just left a matinee movie in Harvard Square and crossed the street into Harvard Yard to rendezvous with friends in Grays Hall (one of the Yard dorms). Suddenly, I noticed a strange sight, a Cambridge police car, with blue lights flashing, driving in the Yard! One of the things a freshman learns upon arriving at school is the unique legal boundaries that envelop most colleges in the United States: all campus buildings and students are policed by the University Police, non-students and the surrounding community is policed by the City of Cambridge Police. As I approached my destination, I surmised that a serious crime must have occurred in Grays Hall for the police to be violating that boundary.

But suddenly I heard the screeching halt of the tires and the metallic disembarkation of the officers and noticed, as they crouched behind their opened car doors, that they had their hands poised above their gun holsters. Now my heart began to race and a fog of disorientation dissolved into the bracing reality that I was the emergency. It was a cold winter day and I had my hands deep in the pockets of my overcoat. The officers barked out their orders for me to, "Take your hands out of your pockets, SLOWLY." As they cautiously approached me I could see the gathering crowd on the steps of Grays Hall watching nervously as the episode unfolded.

"My heart began to race and a fog of disorientation dissolved into the bracing reality that I was the emergency."

The officers demanded my identification. Fortunately, I was carrying my college ID card and was able to prove that I belonged on campus. As they relaxed and began to return to their cars, I had demands of my own. "Why did you stop me?" Dismissively, they tossed a "You fit the description" over their shoulder. There had been a report of an assault by a black man in a white coat in the subway station at Harvard Square. Yes, I fit the description. I was a black man.

This experience has stayed with me my entire life. It is a virtual rite of passage for every black boy. White boys lose their virginity, Jewish boys get bar mitvah'ed, and black boys have their first police stop. Now, I was a man.

"I fit the description. I was a black man."

This constant feeling of being under suspicion, under surveillance and perceived as a danger, is hard to shake. It first resulted in a rather comical experience that I had just a few months later. I was walking in the neighborhood where the campus and the community are indistinguishable. But I was apparently in front of a school-owned building because this incident involved the Harvard University Police. I was walking down a narrow side street about a block outside the Yard when I saw several Harvard Police cars with lights flashing and sirens sounding arriving from both directions.

Panic stricken and totally convinced they were coming for me, I froze; heart pounding out of my head, waiting for the first bullet to strike, when at least a dozen officers got out of their cars, ran towards me and then without a word, ran right past me and into the house behind me. I continued my journey but I would still not trust that next time they would be coming for me.

It is a testimony to the persistence of racial profiling that 35 years later (2009), on a street not far from that one, black Harvard professor (and close friend of President Barack Obama), Henry "Skip" Gates, would be arrested by Cambridge police officers for breaking and entering his own house. A white neighbor saw a suspicious black man forcing his way into a house. The police believed the white neighbor but disbelieved the professor who was in custody at the police department before he had the opportunity to prove that he belonged (in that house).

My next experience was also in a college community. A white female classmate and I were going to lunch, and I was driving. Before we could reach our destination, a city cop pulled us over. He didn't ask for my driver license or registration. He asked her, "Are you alright?" While I was stunned and dumbfounded, she figured it out before I did. He saw a black man driving a white woman and deemed she needed saving.

Finally, my son has had it harder that I had it. He has had so many experiences that he doesn't bother to tell me about them all. But this one was a gem. He and a friend were returning from a club late one night and got into a cab for a ride home. A few blocks away from the club, a police car pulled the cab over. Their first thought was that the cab driver had committed some traffic infraction. But instead of asking the driver for his license, the officers ordered my son and his friend to get out of the back seat and stand on the side walk.

"'Riding a taxi while black' had now been added to the catalogue of '_______while black' crimes."

Suddenly, they realized that the police weren't stopping the driver but the two of them. What was their crime? Apparently, "riding a taxi while black" had now been added to the catalogue of "_______while black" crimes. No charges, just a harassing "catch and release" action that is the most common outcome of these encounters.

The presumption of guilt and danger that is at the heart of racial profiling lays heavy upon every black person living in America. It changes our relationship with the world. We are constantly on guard against a charge, a confrontation, a challenge. Racial profiling does long-term damage to the self-image, self-esteem and ego of the African American.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/madis...vard_b_5724260.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592
 

Revmitchell

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Never mind I decided not to take the SNIP bait from another DNC operative.
 
Last edited by a moderator:

carpro

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
I don't doubt that any of those incidents could have taken place, but one was mentioned that there is a public record of:

It is a testimony to the persistence of racial profiling that 35 years later (2009), on a street not far from that one, black Harvard professor (and close friend of President Barack Obama), Henry "Skip" Gates, would be arrested by Cambridge police officers for breaking and entering his own house. A white neighbor saw a suspicious black man forcing his way into a house. The police believed the white neighbor but disbelieved the professor who was in custody at the police department before he had the opportunity to prove that he belonged (in that house).

There was an independent review of the incident that points out how badly the author misrepresented this incident. Makes one wonder some about the rest of them.
 

Zaac

Well-Known Member
Never mind I decided not to take the SNIP bait from another DNC operative.

Whatever I did to keep your nastiness out of here, I need to can it and sprinkle it around the thread.:thumbsup: Hopefully everyone else will be enlightened by another POV.
 
Last edited by a moderator:

righteousdude2

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
The divide between races has become smaller .....

There are always going to be race baiters; race haters; and groups that essentially want to stir up the past.

I prefer to believe that things have gotten better, and Ferguson is a prime example of how far we, as a society, have come.

40 years ago, this would have been an all out riot. Instead, as bad as it seemed to be in the early days after Brown was killed, the crowds were small, and it actually took outside agitators to come to Ferguson and stir up problems. However, and I know I even questioned why a dusk to dawn curfew was not put in place, Capt. Johnson, of the Highway Patrol, did a superior job at rooting out the evil doers, and bringing the good within the community together.

Eventually, it wasn't because of the law enforcement tactics, but rather a group of black people that had more common sense and wanted peace, to calm this lynch mob spirit down, and replaced it with community!

We have always been an experiment, according to nations from around the world; that is a melting pot for ethnicities, and while some felt it would never work, and that riots were something melting pots would always end up with when tensions rise to a fever pitch; Ferguson has demonstrated just how far this experiment in mixing and melting cultures together as one people, have come.

Of course, there will always be folks like the one who used an inflammatory title and a questionable article as just enough Kindling;
Firewood—and Matches or lighter—to spark a discussion that would move in the direction of provoking angry discourse and harmful debate in order to keep the emotions of Ferguson alive and well!

Ain't anyone on this board silly enough to say that some form of racial profiling doesn't exist. Even so, it is not only the blacks who face profiling. Hispanics are profiled, as are Arabs .... and depending on who did what to whom, whites are often profiled too!

We are not perfect, as a nation! Nevertheless, we are not where we were 40, 50 or 60 years ago, and that is worth taking pride in!

If people let law enforcement do what they are hired to do, and then report any suspected profiling and the officers or officers involved, we will eventually send a message to the bad cops that we are not going to take it any longer!

So, overall, while I agree with my esteemed colleague that stereotyping and profiling is still a problem, it is not nearly as bad as it once was, and the truth is, things are improving every day. because mankind, regardless of the color of their skin, are learning to live in harmony with one another!

Like it or not Zaac, we have all learned, that beyond the color of our skin, we are first and foremost Americans, and that is why things are not nearly as bad as they once were! IMHO!

We no longer have the hateful KKK marching in our streets. And when their remnants show up, most Americans boo them out of their robes. The black Panthers have reorganized several times now, and like the KKK, and skin heads, they represent a small portion of a greater society, that is learning to live with one another. In other words, their hateful speeches are no longer leading the way of larger groups! They have become, excuse me for the pun, the minority when it comes to inciting hateful rhetoric!
 
Last edited by a moderator:

Use of Time

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
It is truly amazing that some people really believe that we live in a post-racial society. I'm going to give credit where credit is due though. Righteousdude2, that was a solid post. Well done.
 
Last edited by a moderator:

righteousdude2

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
It is truly amazing that some people really believe that we live in a post-racial society.

And what do you really , truly believe. No fair teasing us. Speak you little heart out. All of us can't imagine the spin and slant welling up within you. Remember uot, keeping things within can cause heart attacks. So let it all out, and I mean ALL out?
 

Gina B

Active Member
"Not as bad as it used to be" does not mean it's all good now. This thread isn't about Ferguson but since it was brought up, please note that any attempts to fan racial discord around that situation WORKED.
How can we be a post-racial society when something as simple as bringing up the topic often leads to acrimonious debate and instant name calling?
 

Zaac

Well-Known Member
"Not as bad as it used to be" does not mean it's all good now. This thread isn't about Ferguson but since it was brought up, please note that any attempts to fan racial discord around that situation WORKED.
How can we be a post-racial society when something as simple as bringing up the topic often leads to acrimonious debate and instant name calling?

Nothing but the whole truth Gina.:thumbs: I believe that there are people who know they have done some of the very things mentioned and worse, and thus must set about attempting to dismantle the credibility of race still being an issue in the United States or be left naked and exposed to deal with their own personal, unChristlike behavior.

There will, until Jesus returns, always be, at least I believe, some degree of prejudice about something in everyone.

But when you mix racial prejudice and partisan politics together, you've got the perfect storm of division. That combination allows some to justify doing and saying any and everything and acting any kind of way because their politics justify it.
 

Use of Time

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
That and I think people that aren't well traveled and live in a vacuum just might not have the first hand experience.
 

Use of Time

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
Yep, I agree it does suck. A lot of people never leave their home town and I think it contributes to a pretty myopic world view sometimes.
 

Zaac

Well-Known Member
Who cares if they have been racially profiled? They are on the way to hell. Let's deal with THAT.

And you know this how? Because of their skin color? :laugh:

You're starting to act like the resident esteemed writer. If someone says they are a Muslim( liberal, moderate, or conservative), they need Jesus.

You don't know if people have a relationship with Jesus or not based upon their skin color. :laugh:

SMH. You're trying to "catch" me but failing miserably.

The Body of Christ is called to act a certain way. If you want to racially stereotype and portray an attitude of racial prejudice, feel free to do so.
 

Alcott

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
But when you mix racial prejudice and partisan politics together, you've got the perfect storm of division. That combination allows some to justify doing and saying any and everything and acting any kind of way because their politics justify it.

Is that your analysis of the rioting?
 

carpro

Well-Known Member
Site Supporter
But when you mix racial prejudice and partisan politics together, you've got the perfect storm of division. That combination allows some to justify doing and saying any and everything and acting any kind of way because their politics justify it.

Amen!

You're the perfect example.
 
Top