Racism

[tinytim]

I just cannot believe this is even a topic we would discuss as Christians.

Racism is a sin. End of discussion!

Watch out, you will be attacked for adding to God's word..
That is how this whole thing started...

I declared it was a sin..

 

[Amy.G]

Here is the definition to clear up any confusion about what racism means.

rac·ism /ˈreɪsɪzəm
–noun 1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

 

[tinytim]

That is the same definition I posted a few posts back...
And since I started this thread... that is the definition I am using in this thread...
Thanks Amy.. there for a while I thought I was going crazy!!!
Now...

Using this definition, what Bible passages can be used to show that this definition of racism is a sin...

I submit Acts 10, when God told Peter to go to the gentiles... and said

Acts 10:15 NIV
(15) The voice spoke to him a second time, "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean."

 

[Amy.G]

Sorry, Tim. I must have missed your definition.

Racism is a sin. It's not loving your brethren.

The End.

 

[Lagardo]

I am having the strangest dream...after months of being off of the Baptist Board, I return to find TinyTim accused of a "fit" and PastorSBC comapred to Jim Jones. This is usually the part where I'm having to take the unexpected final exam in my underwear...I hope I wake up soon.


Seriously, Galatians 3:28 says that in Christ, there is niether Jew nor Greek, so I would say that to make such distictions of race are contrary to the principles of Christ, and thus, sin.

 

[tinytim]

I might get accused of having a fit... but I will never be accused of being " fit"!!!

 

[Mr.M]

Here is the definition to clear up any confusion about what racism means.

rac·ism /ˈreɪsɪzəm
–noun 1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

So we have 3 choices in this dictionary.com definition of racism.

#1 states that racism is a belief of inherent differences among races and they determine cultural or individual achievement...and USUALLY but apparently not ALWAYS involving the idea that one's own race is superior or has the right to rule others.

So according to the definition of dictionary.com (if we accept it as an authoritative definition and in this case I will for argument's sake) one can practice racism merely by having the belief of inherent differences among races and these differences determine cultural or individual achievement. You don't even have to follow it with the idea that one's own race is superior because it says USUALLY includes that but obviously it doesn't say ALWAYS.

So any of you that believe there are inherent difference in the races...you are on the border of being a racist, particularly if you believe the differences effect cultural or individual achievement. Simply coming to this conclusion to some apparently is a sin. I looked and so far NOTHING is in the Bible declares that such a belief is a sin. My suggestion is you send this to the authors of The Bell Curve.

#2 It is a political system of fostering the doctrine of discrimination. Again, I find nothing in the Bible about this. No where does the Bible state it is sinful for a government to discriminate.

#3 Ah yes, Hatred or intolerance of another race. And it is only here we find anything addressed in Scripture. Scripture deals with forms of hatred, some legitimate and some sinful. Some things we can hate and some things we may not. As well some things we must love and some things we must not love. So only in one of the 3 definitions does the Bible even touch on the topic.

And it is clear that one need not be #3 but hold to #2 or/and #1 and be a racist, neither of which is defined as or from HATRED. Hmmm...yes. It appears quite clear that according to dictionary.com's definition the Bible does not address either #! or #2 so stating absolutely that Racism is a Sin when the Bible makes so such declaration firstly and secondly if one holds to #1 and/or#2 they are not defined as doing so in hatred...so that makes it a matter of CONSCIENCE in liberty.

I am sure, of course, there are liberty thieves among us who apparently view God as lackadaisical and irresponsible in giving us such liberties and want to take back what God has granted and set new boundaries.

 

[Mr.M]

I am having the strangest dream...after months of being off of the Baptist Board, I return to find TinyTim accused of a "fit" and PastorSBC comapred to Jim Jones. This is usually the part where I'm having to take the unexpected final exam in my underwear...I hope I wake up soon.


Seriously, Galatians 3:28 says that in Christ, there is niether Jew nor Greek, so I would say that to make such distictions of race are contrary to the principles of Christ, and thus, sin.

And seriously, your ignorance regarding the context of Galatians 3:28 is a far greater distraction in your life than any concerns you may have about racism.

 

[rbell]

Mr. M, is it possible for you to refrain from insulting someone on every thread?

Good grief.

 

[Lagardo]

Mr. M, is it possible for you to refrain from insulting someone on every thread?

Good grief.

Its somewhat telling isn't it?

Ah well, as usual on this board, getting insulted usually puts you in fine company.

 

[rbell]

Its somewhat telling isn't it?

Ah well, as usual on this board, getting insulted usually puts you in fine company.

Shut up.




:laugh: :laugh:

(j/k)

Does that improve me, or you, Lagardo?

 

[PastorSBC1303]

welcome back to the board Lagardo....

Now lets see, where did I put that recipe for kool-aid....:saint:

 

[Mr.M]

Mr. M, is it possible for you to refrain from insulting someone on every thread?

Good grief.

Oh I see, [insults removed] Back to the topic at hand.

Violations of BB rules #3 & 4 will not be tolerated.
Please be careful with the insulting language and personal attacks.

 

[Lagardo]

welcome back to the board Lagardo....

Now lets see, where did I put that recipe for kool-aid....:saint:

When you find it, let me know...we're hosting the annual meeting, ya know!

 

[Dale-c]

I am a bit late to this thread but I think there is ample biblical support to say that racism an multiculturalism can both be called sinful.


Is it not wrong to hire a person of your race over someone else for a job if you choose, just because of his color.
At the same time, it would be wrong to harm someone because of his race.
Also from a civil point of view, all men should be treated equally.

Of course affirmative action which is just racism in reverse is just as wrong.

 

[pinoybaptist]

Right, I didn't want to derail the bi-racial thread anymore than it was derailed, and wanted to bring this debate to the debate section...

And here is the definition I am using...
If others use a different definition.. let me know..
But in this world today, when someone speaks of racism, this is what they are speaking about...
From Dictionary.com
rac·ism
–noun 1.a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others. 2.a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination. 3.hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

Under that definition, then I would say "sin", missing the mark.

However, if by racism one means social preference to be with someone of one's own race and culture, then I say no sin.

I would rather, for example, that my sons marry fellow Filipinos, who were born, bred, and raised in the Philippines. If they were born, bred and raised here, I don't care if all the angels in heaven testify they are Christians......

I would not be happy with them marrying foreigners whether Asians, Caucasians, Hispanics, or Africans, but will not stop them, although when problems do come down the road, and they "cry on my shoulder", they can definitely expect me to push them away with a wagging finger and "I told you so", and a go back to your wife sermon.

 

[TCGreek]

1. Brother, brothers, brothers, the Cross of Christ means nothing if Racism is allowed to prevail.

2. Ruth was a Moabite and she married Boaz, a Jew, and made her way into the Genealogy of our Blessed Lord accordin to the flesh.

3. What is this nonsense I hear that some are against interracial marriage? Where's your Scriptural support.

4. The only grounds not to marry two people, is if one is a nonbeliever and the other is.

 

[pinoybaptist]

1. Brother, brothers, brothers, the Cross of Christ means nothing if Racism is allowed to prevail.

2. Ruth was a Moabite and she married Boaz, a Jew, and made her way into the Genealogy of our Blessed Lord accordin to the flesh.

3. What is this nonsense I hear that some are against interracial marriage? Where's your Scriptural support.

4. The only grounds not to marry two people, is if one is a nonbeliever and the other is.

If you're referring to my post, then there are no Scriptures.

That's just my personal observation.

I think there will be such a thing as culture clash, and better to avoid them.

 

[tinytim]

So we have 3 choices in this dictionary.com definition of racism.

#1 states that racism is a belief of inherent differences among races and they determine cultural or individual achievement...and USUALLY but apparently not ALWAYS involving the idea that one's own race is superior or has the right to rule others.

So according to the definition of dictionary.com (if we accept it as an authoritative definition and in this case I will for argument's sake) one can practice racism merely by having the belief of inherent differences among races and these differences determine cultural or individual achievement. You don't even have to follow it with the idea that one's own race is superior because it says USUALLY includes that but obviously it doesn't say ALWAYS.

So any of you that believe there are inherent difference in the races...you are on the border of being a racist, particularly if you believe the differences effect cultural or individual achievement. Simply coming to this conclusion to some apparently is a sin. I looked and so far NOTHING is in the Bible declares that such a belief is a sin. My suggestion is you send this to the authors of The Bell Curve.

#2 It is a political system of fostering the doctrine of discrimination. Again, I find nothing in the Bible about this. No where does the Bible state it is sinful for a government to discriminate.

#3 Ah yes, Hatred or intolerance of another race. And it is only here we find anything addressed in Scripture. Scripture deals with forms of hatred, some legitimate and some sinful. Some things we can hate and some things we may not. As well some things we must love and some things we must not love. So only in one of the 3 definitions does the Bible even touch on the topic.

And it is clear that one need not be #3 but hold to #2 or/and #1 and be a racist, neither of which is defined as or from HATRED. Hmmm...yes. It appears quite clear that according to dictionary.com's definition the Bible does not address either #! or #2 so stating absolutely that Racism is a Sin when the Bible makes so such declaration firstly and secondly if one holds to #1 and/or#2 they are not defined as doing so in hatred...so that makes it a matter of CONSCIENCE in liberty.

I am sure, of course, there are liberty thieves among us who apparently view God as lackadaisical and irresponsible in giving us such liberties and want to take back what God has granted and set new boundaries.

So you see no problem with the Government discriminating against different races? #2

And concerning #1 says "usually"... You are right not "always"... but it is a slippery slope... to usually.
There are differences.. we all know that.. that is why racism (hatred)#3 exists... people feel they are better than people that are different...

I am glad we agree that # 3 is a sin. That is common ground.

But do you really not see the sin of Government (especially a Government ran by the people) discriminating... Since we are in control (at least in theory!!! lol) of the Government in the US.. when the Government discriminates, it is the Christian thing to do to stand up and say it is wrong...

Do you believe it is a sin to discriminate based on skin color?

 

[Mr.M]

So you see no problem with the Government discriminating against different races? #2

And concerning #1 says "usually"... You are right not "always"... but it is a slippery slope... to usually.
There are differences.. we all know that.. that is why racism (hatred)#3 exists... people feel they are better than people that are different...

I am glad we agree that # 3 is a sin. That is common ground.

But do you really not see the sin of Government (especially a Government ran by the people) discriminating... Since we are in control (at least in theory!!! lol) of the Government in the US.. when the Government discriminates, it is the Christian thing to do to stand up and say it is wrong...

Do you believe it is a sin to discriminate based on skin color?

The Bible makes no such declaration that governments may not discriminate. I am not interested in adding to the Word of God by declaring otherwise.