Radicalized Islam on the Rise?

[righteousdude2]

I found the following facts and observations to be of interest, and I hope they are of interest to you as well ....

These were all a Radical form of their religion. But they were still beholding to the Muslim religion. Try telling them they are not Muslims ...

The Shoe Bomber was a Muslim
The Beltway Snipers were Muslims
The Fort Hood Shooter was a Muslim
The Underwear Bomber was a Muslim
The U-S.S. Cole Bombers were Muslims
The Madrid Train Bombers were Muslims
The Bali Nightclub Bombers were Muslims
The London Subway Bombers were Muslims
The Moscow Theatre Attackers were Muslims
The Boston Marathon Bombers were Muslims
The Pan-Am flight #93 Bombers were Muslims
The Air France Entebbe Hijackers were Muslims
The Iranian Embassy Takeover, was by Muslims
The Beirut U.S. Embassy Bombers were Muslims
The Libyan U.S. Embassy Attack was by Muslims
The Buenos Aires Suicide Bombers were Muslims
The Israeli Olympic Team Attackers were Muslims
The Kenyan U.S, Embassy Bombers were Muslims
The Saudi, Khobar Towers Bombers were Muslims
The Beirut Marine Barracks Bombers were Muslims
The Besian Russian School Attackers were Muslims
The First World Trade Center Bombers were Muslims
The Bombay, Mumbai, India Attackers were Muslims
The Achille Lauro Cruise Ship Hijackers were Muslims
The Nairobi, Kenya Shopping Mall Killers were Muslims
The September 11th 2001 Airline Hijackers were Muslims
The Sydney, Australia Lindt Cafe Kidnapper was a Muslim
The Peshawar, Pakistani School Children Killers were Muslims

Think of it:

Hindus living with Jews = No Problem
Baha'is living with Jews = No Problem
Jews living with Atheists = No Problem
Sikhs living with Hindus = No Problem
Hindus living with Baha'is = No Problem
Christians living with Jews = No Problem
Jews living with Buddhists = No Problem
Shintos living with Atheists = No Problem
Buddhists living with Sikhs = No Problem
Baha'is living with Christians = No Problem
Buddhists living with Shintos = No Problem
Buddhists living with Hindus = No Problem
Hindus living with Christians = No Problem
Atheists living with Buddhists = No Problem
Confusians living with Hindus = No Problem
Atheists living with Confucians = No Problem

But:

Muslims living with Jews = Problem
Muslims living with Sikhs = Problem
Muslims living with Hindus = Problem
Muslims living with Baha'is = Problem
Muslims living with Shintos = Problem
Muslims living with Atheists = Problem
Muslims living with Buddhists = Problem
Muslims living with Christians = Problem
MUSLIMS LIVING WITH MUSLIMS = VERY BIG PROBLEM

So this leads us to believe this about Muslims:

They’re not happy in Gaza
They're not happy in Egypt
They're not happy in Libya
They're not happy in Iran
They're not happy in Iraq
They're not happy in Yemen
They're not happy in Pakistan
They're not happy in Syria
They're not happy in Lebanon
They're not happy in Nigeria
They're not happy in Kenya
They're not happy in Sudan
They're not happy in Morocco
They're not happy in Afghanistan

So, where are they happy?

They're happy in Australia
They're happy in Belgium
They're happy in France
They're happy in Holland
They're happy in Italy
They're happy in Germany
They're happy in Spain
They're happy in Sweden
They're happy in Denmark
They're happy in the USA & Canada
They're happy in Norway & India
They're very happy in England (UK) (Loads of Welfare Benefits). They're unhappy in almost every country that is not Islamic! And who do they blame? Not Islam... Not their leadership... Not themselves ... THEY BLAME THE COUNTRIES THEY ARE HAPPY IN!!! And they want to change the countries they're happy in, the want to establish Sharia Law and if possible, Caliphates, to be like the countries they came from, where they were unhappy. Does this make sense to you?

AND EVERYONE AROUND OUR WORLD SEEMS TO GET IT, EXCEPT FOR SOME VERY STUPID, PEOPLE ... LIKE THE ONES WHCCUPY THE WHITE HOUSE ... AND IT IS THIS GROUP OF POLITICIANS WHO WORK DAY AND NIGHT AND WEEKENDS TOO, TO WHITEWASH EVERYTHING TO DO WITH MUSLIMS! And they do this to make the public, as a whole, more open to and receptive of the teachings and ideals of Islam. And why do they do this, well, you be the judge? :BangHead:

This does not mean that Muslims are the problem. ~No!~ The problems with Muslims are the radicalized form of their religion.

Nevertheless, the truth is, the radical form of their religion is larger in number than the sum of all the radicals, of all the world religions combined http://thinkprogress.org/security/2...-majority-muslims-worldwide-reject-extremism/ http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/target/etc/modern.html http://www.clarionproject.org/understanding-islamism/islamic-extremism

And that should be a concern for all of us who live and work together with people of all colors, ethnicity's, nationalities, social customs, religions and political ideals.​

 

[poncho]

So what are you going to do about it?

 

[Crabtownboy]

Salty, interesting lists, but they do not address the following question.

How is it that Muslims and Jews lived in peace for just over 1900 years and trouble started just after World War I? What happened that started this downward spiral?

Also not all is as peaceful as your list implies between the other religions. Granted the problems are not as large as with Muslims, but it is not a totally peaceful relationship between these other groups.

Example:

Straying From the Middle Way: Extremist Buddhist Monks Target Religious Minorities
http://world.time.com/2013/06/20/extremist-buddhist-monks-fight-oppression-with-violence/

I found the following facts and observations to be of interest, and I hope they are of interest to you as well ....

These were all a Radical form of their religion. But they were still beholding to the Muslim religion. Try telling them they are not Muslims ...

The Shoe Bomber was a Muslim
The Beltway Snipers were Muslims
The Fort Hood Shooter was a Muslim
The Underwear Bomber was a Muslim
The U-S.S. Cole Bombers were Muslims
The Madrid Train Bombers were Muslims
The Bali Nightclub Bombers were Muslims
The London Subway Bombers were Muslims
The Moscow Theatre Attackers were Muslims
The Boston Marathon Bombers were Muslims
The Pan-Am flight #93 Bombers were Muslims
The Air France Entebbe Hijackers were Muslims
The Iranian Embassy Takeover, was by Muslims
The Beirut U.S. Embassy Bombers were Muslims
The Libyan U.S. Embassy Attack was by Muslims
The Buenos Aires Suicide Bombers were Muslims
The Israeli Olympic Team Attackers were Muslims
The Kenyan U.S, Embassy Bombers were Muslims
The Saudi, Khobar Towers Bombers were Muslims
The Beirut Marine Barracks Bombers were Muslims
The Besian Russian School Attackers were Muslims
The First World Trade Center Bombers were Muslims
The Bombay, Mumbai, India Attackers were Muslims
The Achille Lauro Cruise Ship Hijackers were Muslims
The Nairobi, Kenya Shopping Mall Killers were Muslims
The September 11th 2001 Airline Hijackers were Muslims
The Sydney, Australia Lindt Cafe Kidnapper was a Muslim
The Peshawar, Pakistani School Children Killers were Muslims

Think of it:

Hindus living with Jews = No Problem
Baha'is living with Jews = No Problem
Jews living with Atheists = No Problem
Sikhs living with Hindus = No Problem
Hindus living with Baha'is = No Problem
Christians living with Jews = No Problem
Jews living with Buddhists = No Problem
Shintos living with Atheists = No Problem
Buddhists living with Sikhs = No Problem
Baha'is living with Christians = No Problem
Buddhists living with Shintos = No Problem
Buddhists living with Hindus = No Problem
Hindus living with Christians = No Problem
Atheists living with Buddhists = No Problem
Confusians living with Hindus = No Problem
Atheists living with Confucians = No Problem

But:

Muslims living with Jews = Problem
Muslims living with Sikhs = Problem
Muslims living with Hindus = Problem
Muslims living with Baha'is = Problem
Muslims living with Shintos = Problem
Muslims living with Atheists = Problem
Muslims living with Buddhists = Problem
Muslims living with Christians = Problem
MUSLIMS LIVING WITH MUSLIMS = VERY BIG PROBLEM

So this leads us to believe this about Muslims:

They’re not happy in Gaza
They're not happy in Egypt
They're not happy in Libya
They're not happy in Iran
They're not happy in Iraq
They're not happy in Yemen
They're not happy in Pakistan
They're not happy in Syria
They're not happy in Lebanon
They're not happy in Nigeria
They're not happy in Kenya
They're not happy in Sudan
They're not happy in Morocco
They're not happy in Afghanistan

So, where are they happy?

They're happy in Australia
They're happy in Belgium
They're happy in France
They're happy in Holland
They're happy in Italy
They're happy in Germany
They're happy in Spain
They're happy in Sweden
They're happy in Denmark
They're happy in the USA & Canada
They're happy in Norway & India
They're very happy in England (UK) (Loads of Welfare Benefits). They're unhappy in almost every country that is not Islamic! And who do they blame? Not Islam... Not their leadership... Not themselves ... THEY BLAME THE COUNTRIES THEY ARE HAPPY IN!!! And they want to change the countries they're happy in, the want to establish Sharia Law and if possible, Caliphates, to be like the countries they came from, where they were unhappy. Does this make sense to you?

AND EVERYONE AROUND OUR WORLD SEEMS TO GET IT, EXCEPT FOR SOME VERY STUPID, PEOPLE ... LIKE THE ONES WHCCUPY THE WHITE HOUSE ... AND IT IS THIS GROUP OF POLITICIANS WHO WORK DAY AND NIGHT AND WEEKENDS TOO, TO WHITEWASH EVERYTHING TO DO WITH MUSLIMS! And they do this to make the public, as a whole, more open to and receptive of the teachings and ideals of Islam. And why do they do this, well, you be the judge? :BangHead:

This does not mean that Muslims are the problem. ~No!~ The problems with Muslims are the radicalized form of their religion.

Nevertheless, the truth is, the radical form of their religion is larger in number than the sum of all the radicals, of all the world religions combined http://thinkprogress.org/security/2...-majority-muslims-worldwide-reject-extremism/ http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/target/etc/modern.html http://www.clarionproject.org/understanding-islamism/islamic-extremism

And that should be a concern for all of us who live and work together with people of all colors, ethnicity's, nationalities, social customs, religions and political ideals.​

 

[kyredneck]

So what are you going to do about it?

:thumbs: Lol, really; RD2 you've presented the problem now give us your solution.

 

[kyredneck]

...How is it that Muslims and Jews lived in peace for just over 1900 years and trouble started just after World War I? What happened that started this downward spiral?...

Well, it has it's roots with the Balfour Declaration of 1917, but began in earnest in 1948 with the Zionist genocidal expulsion of the native Palestinian population. Christian Zionists (supposedly evangelicals) may refuse to accept or forget that fact but the Arab Muslim world hasn't and probably never will.

 

[preachinjesus]

The OP is a sample of what most white, evangelical Americans perceive.

In fact, it is not tied to reality. If anything moderate Islam is on the rise across the globe and fundamentalist, militant forms are on the decline. We know this through the polling that takes place and other points of research. Militant Muslisms are ultimately marginalizing themselves and pushing more moderate voices to the forefront of the Islamic sects.

 

[kyredneck]

Thank you for that very informative post pj. :thumbs:

 

[poncho]

:thumbs: Lol, really; RD2 you've presented the problem now give us your solution.

I don't know what RD2 will do about it if anything but I do know what Washington, the courts, the DHS, the TSA, the FBI, state and local police departments are doing about it.

Removing our constitutional protections and treating all Americans as criminals and gearing up for war against us.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Well, it has it's roots with the Balfour Declaration of 1917, but began in earnest in 1948 with the Zionist genocidal expulsion of the native Palestinian population. Christian Zionists (supposedly evangelicals) may refuse to accept or forget that fact but the Arab Muslim world hasn't and probably never will.

You are absolutely correct. Since that time the Arabs and Arab countries have not trusted any western nation. They have good reason for this distrust. We have done nothing to change this distrust. The Balfour Declaration and other decisions made at the end of WW I set up many of the problems we have with us today.

 

[OldRegular]

Salty, interesting lists, but they do not address the following question.

How is it that Muslims and Jews lived in peace for just over 1900 years and trouble started just after World War I? What happened that started this downward spiral?

Also not all is as peaceful as your list implies between the other religions. Granted the problems are not as large as with Muslims, but it is not a totally peaceful relationship between these other groups.

Example:

Straying From the Middle Way: Extremist Buddhist Monks Target Religious Minorities
http://world.time.com/2013/06/20/extremist-buddhist-monks-fight-oppression-with-violence/

Islam is a religion of death. That is how they became dominant, convert or die!

 

[OldRegular]

The OP is a sample of what most white, evangelical Americans perceive.

In fact, it is not tied to reality. If anything moderate Islam is on the rise across the globe and fundamentalist, militant forms are on the decline. We know this through the polling that takes place and other points of research. Militant Muslisms are ultimately marginalizing themselves and pushing more moderate voices to the forefront of the Islamic sects.

An example of the peace loving Muslims:

In 1915, leaders of the Turkish government set in motion a plan to expel and massacre Armenians living in the Ottoman Empire. Though reports vary, most sources agree that there were about 2 million Armenians in the Ottoman Empire at the time of the massacre. By the early 1920s, when the massacres and deportations finally ended, some 1.5 million of Turkey’s Armenians were dead, with many more forcibly removed from the country. Today, most historians call this event a genocide–a premeditated and systematic campaign to exterminate an entire people. However, the Turkish government does not acknowledge the enormity or scope of these events. Despite pressure from Armenians and social justice advocates throughout the world, it is still illegal in Turkey to talk about what happened to Armenians during this era.

http://www.history.com/topics/armenian-genocide

Turkey is once again moving toward the radical Islamist movement.

 

[Crabtownboy]

An example of the peace loving Muslims:

The problem OldR is as with many issues the press only publishes the sensational, the tragic, the bad. The Muslims who are working for peace, who speak out against the radicals are seldom given publicity in the press. You know the old saw, "Good news does not sell newspapers". We could add to that the good news does not draw viewers to news programs.

You remember the bad old days in Northern Ireland. Those working for peace never made the news. But the terrorists on both sides, the murderers, the torturers made the news.

In fact, mainstream Muslims are speaking out, clearly and consistently. Leaders around the world, many of whom I know personally through my work at the Foundation for Ethnic Understanding, have issued strong and unambiguous statements virtually every time a violent attack has occurred, condemning such acts as immoral and counter to the fundamental precepts of Islam.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/poste...ont-more-moderate-muslims-denounce-extremism/

 

[Revmitchell]

That is a lie. Very few of them are saying anything. The reason is most Muslims support the terrorism even of they are not willing to engage in it themselves.

 

[Use of Time]

That is a lie. Very few of them are saying anything. The reason is most Muslims support the terrorism even of they are not willing to engage in it themselves.

There is absolutely nothing to support such an uninformed statement. Not a thing. If you had ever spent anytime in a middle eastern country you would be embarrassed to say something like that. Those people hate terrorism more than you could possibly imagine. It has turned their lives upside down and there are people scrambling to survive in war torn countries. Those that denounce terrorism aren't being given a platform to voice these opinions for obvious reasons. You have tried before to parrot the narrative that no one is speaking out when it is quite easy to find examples of this if you actually put your preconceived perceptions aside and attempted to search for the information instead of canned articles that feed your own myopic world view.

For someone that slings the word "operative" around on the regular, you always seem determined to steer the conversation.

Here let me help you. Oh wow, the amazing internet search engine called "google" gave me this with about 3 seconds of effort.

http://muslimscondemningthings.tumblr.com/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/poste...ont-more-moderate-muslims-denounce-extremism/

Watch who you accuse of lying pastor. You haven't put forth an honest effort yourself.

 

[OldRegular]

The problem OldR is as with many issues the press only publishes the sensational, the tragic, the bad. The Muslims who are working for peace, who speak out against the radicals are seldom given publicity in the press. You know the old saw, "Good news does not sell newspapers". We could add to that the good news does not draw viewers to news programs.

There is only one Muslim in this country who speaks out against Radical Islam. He is a former Navy Commander and I believe a doctor. All the rest that appear on the News support the Radicals, particularly the Imans!

 

[Use of Time]

There is only one Muslim in this country who speaks out against Radical Islam. He is a former Navy Commander and I believe a doctor. All the rest that appear on the News support the Radicals, particularly the Imans!

No that isn't true either.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/12/imams-denounce-isis_n_5579370.html

It's like everyone has the internet but is scared to use it.

 

[righteousdude2]

That is a lie. Very few of them are saying anything. The reason is most Muslims support the terrorism even of they are not willing to engage in it themselves.

They're scared and are smart enough to stay silent. By doing so, they won't lose either way. Should the west defeat radical Islam, the silent Muslims go right along living status quo. If the radicals prevail, they may have to change their lifestyle to fit Sharia law, but at least they keep their heads. :thumbs:

 

[righteousdude2]

So what are you going to do about it?

So what do you suggest? You are the forums conspiracy nut and survivalist. I'll follow your lead. :laugh:

 

[InTheLight]

I was wondering--if Muslims are happy living in these western countries (and there is no possible way to know this)--why are they blowing up infrastructure and killing themselves and others?

 

[Crabtownboy]

There is only one Muslim in this country who speaks out against Radical Islam. He is a former Navy Commander and I believe a doctor. All the rest that appear on the News support the Radicals, particularly the Imans!

Just taint [sic] so Old.

http://www.freemuslims.org/

http://muslimsagainstterror.com/

http://theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/tam/categories/C167

http://kurzman.unc.edu/islamic-statements-against-terrorism/

Just a few other voices of Muslims against terrorism.