Just look at Gup for an example. Go back up a few pages. I say that the ancient Jews did not understand every facet of the world around me. Gup twists that into saying that I think that the Bible is wrong. I say that God did not find it necessary to reveal all truths about the world in the Bible, Gup twists that to say that I said the God told things that were not true in the BIble. Even when confronted by me, the author of the statement, telling him that he is misrepresenting my intent and showing him the actual quotes of what I did say beside his flawed characterizations of them, he refuses to concede. He has become so used to thinking that his interpretation is the final authority, that he even disagrees when the author of the statement contests his interpretation.
Lets look at what the Bible says, UTE.
Gen 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, [and] the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed [is] in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
12 And the earth brought forth grass, [and] herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed [was] in itself, after his kind: and God saw that [it was] good.
13 And the evening and the morning were the third day.
14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: [he made] the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that [it was] good.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
Tell me UTEOTW - Yes or no - Do you believe this portion of scripture to be an accurate representation of how plants (grass and fruit trees), the sun, the moon, and the stars came into existence? Do you believe that plants were created 1 normal day (~ 24 hours) before the sun and moon? Do you believed they all 'came to be naturally over millions of years' or that they came to be instantly by the Word of God?
Lets look at more scripture UTE:
Gen 7:18 And the waters prevailed, and were increased greatly upon the earth; and the ark went upon the face of the waters.
19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and
all the high hills, that [were] under the
whole heaven, were covered.
20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.
21 And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:
22 All in whose nostrils [was] the breath of life, of all that [was] in the dry [land], died.
23 And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained [alive], and they that [were] with him in the ark.
Now UTE - this is very, very important. Answer me yes or no - Do you believe that the whole earth was covered by a flood? Do you believe (again, yes or no) that every human being on earth and every land animal on earth (that was not in Noah's Ark) died? The answers to these questions are of Paramount importance, because the Bible defines those who do not believe this part of scripture as follows:
2Pe 3:3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as [they were] from the beginning of the creation.
5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
If you do not believe in the Global catastrophe of Noah's Flood, the Bible itself calls you a scoffer who walks after his own lusts - a person
willingly ignorant of the truth.
2Pe 2:18 For when they speak great swelling [words] of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, [through much] wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.
19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known [it], to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
But Gup long ago learned that there are no facts to support his position. He tried for a while. Never could make any headway though. Time after time his assertions were shown to be false and his sources revealed as wrong at best and often as downright dishonest.
The point is, UTEOTW, I could spend millions of years arguing men's interpretation of scientific "facts" with you. Unfortunately, these "facts" change from day to day. Or, we could go to a source of unchanging ultimate truth and work our way from there. This is what you refuse to do or accept. You would MUCH rather hand-waive and present YOUR scientists which you claim discredit MY scientists which discredit YOUR scientists, which discredit MY scientists, which discredit YOUR scientists.... It's all pomp and circumstance compared to ultimate truth - compared to God Himself. What is it really all about, UTE? What is the real purpose?
Mat 7:14 Because strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
You see, UTE, Christianity is not the way of the majority. Narrow is the way and few there by that find it. How do you know if a thing is of God or not? By it's fruit.
Look at the fruit of the religion of evolution. You have God and the supernatural ejected from mainstream science. Then, God and Prayer is ejected from Public Schools, which embrace the religion of evolution instead. We can look to the country of England as an example. They were the first where the church capitulated to Darwin and evolution, and now less than 4% of their population go to [Christian] church. YOU YOURSELF, UTEOTW, CANNOT BELIEVE THE BIBLE AS IT IS WRITTEN BECAUSE OF YOUR COMMITMENT TO HUMANISM IN EVOLUTION! You hold to Christ, but disbelieve in his purpose for coming here. You believe in Jesus, but do not believe Jesus' own words. You say Jesus is God, but that God is willing to lie to us. YOU HAVE BELIEVED THE LIE, UTE.
As I said to NPC - the battle is not over your soul - but over the countless souls you damn to hell as you support evolution -- which was born of evil, and is now the most proliferated and celebrated of ALL atheist holidays! Atheists hold this as the MOST sacred of their beliefs. If it were challenged and a belief not committed to materialism were in it's place do you think they could hold to that belief? Wake up UTE. You are playing for the wrong team, and what's worse, YOU KNOW IT (as 2Pe 2:18-21 says)!
You can spend HOURS attacking my credibility UTE, but you cannot deny the truth of scripture - the truth that God created the World in six literal days approximately 6000 years ago, and destroyed the original world with a global flood. Like it or not, the Bible says that is what happened. I choose the response of the angel in Joshua:
Jos 5:13 And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, [Art] thou for us, or for our adversaries?
14 And he said, Nay; but [as] captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant?
Am I for evolution or intelligent design? Neither -- I am for whatever agrees with God and His Word. That's why I am a young earth creationist. It is the closest thing to truth of all sides in this debate.
