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'Rationals' vs. 'radicals': Anti-Trump Republicans threaten third party

thomas15

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Oddly enough, Guess who was POTUS Franklin Pierce's (A Northerner) Secretary of War? If you guessed Jefferson Davis....you're right!! :D:D:D:eek::eek::eek::Laugh:Laugh:Laugh:Whistling:Whistling:Whistling

The 14th President of the United States, Franklin Pierce, was a Democrat. Jefferson Davis was a Democrat. Most of the political and military leaders in the southern confederacy were Democrats and held national leadership positions before the rebellion.
 

thomas15

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Regarding Fort Sumpter and the Alaska purchase, there are real historical and legal facts and then there are made up "facts" that are the result of an individual's politics.
 

Rob_BW

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As long as there is (essentially) the direct election of the president, there will be a two party system.

You could definitely get rid of it if we moved to a parliamentary system. You could possibly weaken it considerably if a states electors weren't tied to the popular vote.
 

Baptist Believer

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Real issue is that the Dem party has ran fast in to the lane of secularism...
Would you care to explain this assertion and how the "Dem Party" differs from the Republican Party regarding the "lane of secularism?"

...and denouncing the Lord jesus...
When has the "Dem Party" issues a statement denouncing Jesus? Please be specific and show documentation.

...and exalting the darkness!
Please explain this assertion and how it differs from the Republican Party's 'exaltation of darkness.'
 

Paul from Antioch

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As long as there is (essentially) the direct election of the president, there will be a two party system.

You could definitely get rid of it if we moved to a parliamentary system. You could possibly weaken it considerably if a states electors weren't tied to the popular vote.
Along with this, there was a network commentator (ABC I think) who came from Canada who, time after time, extolled the virtues of UK's (& by extention Canada) parliamentary system. In this system which ever MAJOR party that was able to muster up at least ONE more vote in its favor would be THE one to select her Prime "Minister." Not too sure that'd work too well in our Untied States of America. Let's see...bi-lingual (Espanol & English) signs & TV shows, etc. "Innocent"(??) Racists incarcerated, One Party eternally ruling, Fake News upheld as THE ONLY source of "Truth," The un-electable VPOTUS being THE "Reel" power, & ONLY ONE Branch of government making up the rules, etc., Critical Race Theory drummed into the minds of our future generations.....Yep, when I posted "The UNTIED States (Including, of course the State of Washington, DC !!) that wasn't a typo!! (Note: Isn't the first name of the UK's PM "Boris"?? Maybe he's the re-incarnation of that Boris & Natasha comedy bit of the old Bullwinkle Show? Yep, PMs Putin & UK's Johnson both are called Boris first!! :eek::eek::eek::eek:
 

Yeshua1

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Would you care to explain this assertion and how the "Dem Party" differs from the Republican Party regarding the "lane of secularism?"


When has the "Dem Party" issues a statement denouncing Jesus? Please be specific and show documentation.


Please explain this assertion and how it differs from the Republican Party's 'exaltation of darkness.'
The Dems support Homosexual amd lesbian abomination, support Infanticide, support the enemies of israel every time, alone see Christianity as being homophobic, and bad, the list goes on and on!
 

Baptist Believer

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The Dems support Homosexual amd lesbian abomination...
Lots of Republicans do as well.

...support Infanticide...
Please cite a source in the Democratic platform or in a statement by the Democratic Party.

I haven't seen anything of the sort, despite the false claims by former President Trump and the Trump Republican Party.

...support the enemies of israel every time...
"Every time?" That's quite a claim. But the bigger question is why many Christians feel that our nation should always take the side of Israel, even when they are doing evil. Jesus certainly wouldn't do that. Given that He prophesied God's judgment on Jerusalem (including the destruction of the Temple) that occurred in 70 AD (the Son of Man "coming on the clouds of heaven" - a metaphor for God's judgment found in Matthew 24:30, 26:64; Mark 13:26, 14:61-62; Luke 21:27), and many who were alive to hear His words witnessed that destruction.

...alone see Christianity as being homophobic...
When has the Democratic Party made this claim?

...and bad...
When has the Democratic Party made this claim?

...the list goes on and on!
I'm sure you can make a long list, especially since your list is mostly free of facts.
 

Yeshua1

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Lots of Republicans do as well.


Please cite a source in the Democratic platform or in a statement by the Democratic Party.

I haven't seen anything of the sort, despite the false claims by former President Trump and the Trump Republican Party.


"Every time?" That's quite a claim. But the bigger question is why many Christians feel that our nation should always take the side of Israel, even when they are doing evil. Jesus certainly wouldn't do that. Given that He prophesied God's judgment on Jerusalem (including the destruction of the Temple) that occurred in 70 AD (the Son of Man "coming on the clouds of heaven" - a metaphor for God's judgment found in Matthew 24:30, 26:64; Mark 13:26, 14:61-62; Luke 21:27), and many who were alive to hear His words witnessed that destruction.


When has the Democratic Party made this claim?


When has the Democratic Party made this claim?


I'm sure you can make a long list, especially since your list is mostly free of facts.
The democratic party declares that its the right of all women to do Infanticide, that Homosexuality and lesbian lifestyles are acceptably and great, that the main problem in Mid east is due to the Jews, and that Christianity is bad, while Islam is the One of peace! That we must support and provide for all illegal aliens, that we were a nation of white slave owners and are under white power Do you agree with them?
 

Baptist Believer

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The democratic party declares that its the right of all women to do Infanticide…
You are just repeating the claim (as is your ha it) instead of backing up your allegation. Your claim is false. Don’t tell lies.

…that Homosexuality and lesbian lifestyles are acceptably and great…
Republicans (and Trump) hold to that as well.

…that the main problem in Mid east is due to the Jews…
Please provide documentation.

…and that Christianity is bad…
You previously made this claim and are just repeating it without supporting the accusation. Stop spreading lies.

…while Islam is the One of peace!
If most Muslims DIDN’T understood their religion as a religion of peace, we would be in an endless war here in the US and across the world. There is a HUMAN problem with people using religious belief to control others, including to kill people.

…That we must support and provide for all illegal aliens…
Please provide documentation of this position. What you may not like is that you accusation is more similar to what the Bible teaches than what either Republicans or Democrats believe.

…that we were a nation of white slave owners…
It’s a historical fact that there was both wide acceptance and the practice of chattel slavery in the “slave states” is well-documented US history. A person who DOESN’T believe that is completely deluded.

…and are under white power…
White people have controlled the institutions of power, at the federal, state and local levels, throughout almost all of US history. To ignore that is also to live in delusion.

Do you agree with them?
Other than Jesus, I don’t look to other people to define my beliefs.

You need to either back up your wild claims or repent of repeating lies.
 

Revmitchell

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Earlier this week, 41 Democratic senators successfully filibustered the Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Protection Act, which would require doctors to provide standard medical care to infants who survive attempted abortion procedures.

Contrary to Democratic claims, the bill is neither unnecessary nor redundant. Abortion survivors are not a fiction invented by the pro-life movement. No law currently protects such infants. And the bill neither regulates nor limits abortion or women’s health-care options. All it requires is that doctors give “the same degree” of care to newborns who survive abortion that “any other child born alive at the same gestational age” would receive.


Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Protection Act: Democrats Justify Infanticide | National Review
 

Paul from Antioch

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Washington Post lies about the Democrat Party’s support for infanticide



Washington Post Lies About Democratic Party’s Support For Infanticide
And then there's the GOP. Did not the GOP just oust its current Legislative Branch's defender US Rep Lynn Cheney because some of its philosophically minded more conservatives in the US House though that Rep Cheney wasn't as conservative as they wished? I'm not defending the GOP on this, in fact, I've never been a registered GOP member, nor have I ever voted for either so-called major party's POTUS choices (2012's GOP POTUS candidate Mitt Romney doesn't really float my boat as Mr Conservative either. What I'm saying is that at least as far back as FDRs early antics (& probably as early as "Progressive POTUS Teddy Roosevelt," neither so-called major party has consistently offered the US population that much of a genuine conservative choice for its next POTUS. Yes, there were from time to time conservative options from the GOP, 1964 & 1980 are some examples. I supported US Senator Goldwater in 1964 (The year I graduated from H S.), but even he had a whopping fight at the 1964 GOP convention held in San Fransisco CA. Thankfully he won that battle, but in my home state of PA, the GOP Governor Scranton refused to have PA anyone in "HIS" state support Sen BMG's candidacy!! Those in PA that DID support Sen Goldwater DID form a "Citizens for G - M" operation. In my particular area of PA (suburban Philadelphia) wasn't exactly a bastion of conservatism at that time, so my limited options were, shall we say, even more limited for this 18 YO non-voter. (Back then one had to be at least 21 YO to vote.) Sooooo...... I finally found this very small C 4 G-M office in a town some 15 mi one way in a rather remote part of this town. Needless to say, crowd control was not a major factor for us. My point is that even then the GOP didn't fall over itself to run a conservative POTUS candidate. In the 1976 POTUS race, Regan had Richard Sweicker as his VPOTUS running mate. Sweicker was my area's US Rep, & having endured his representation as far back as 1960, he was as liberal as the day is long. Of course incumbent POTUS Ford (Who'd never run as a GOP POTUS candidate, mind you.) was merely appointed as POTUS in the final days of POTUS Richard ("I'm NOT a Crook") Nixon who probably only won his POTUS in 1968 only because third-party Am Ind Party candidate George Wallace drew enough electoral votes from the Deep South states to stop Humphrey from winning (Humphrey, of course was LBJs VP & only arose as the Dem's POTUS candidate because "Landslide Lyndon" voluntarily dropped out of the 1968 POTUS campaign because he'd lost favor with the liberal dems. Soooo then the US of A then had Tricky Dick ("Bring US Together") Nixon. Back to 1980, former CA Gov Reagan picked Geo H W Bush as his choice for VP. Remember though the aged Reagan, as conservative as he was (and he WAS shot very early in HIS tenure as POTUS!), Picked "One World Order" former CIA Director & former UN ambassador Bush, a "One World Order" Bush as his successor. Bush DID win the POTUS position with his "No NEW Taxes" pledge (He didn't say anything about our OLD US Income taxes, did he?? And, BTW, the concept of a graduated income tax was one of the 3 planks of the 1844 Communist Manifesto" of Karl Marx. Other other 2 were to have direct election of US Senators and a Federal Reserve Banking System for the US (All 3 were made into law by the early 1900s.) Then in 1988, Billy the Kid ("It all depends on what 'Is' Is!!) Clinton won the US POTUS. After his two terms, the US DID get G W Bush (a son of Geo H W Bush) as POTUS. "W" as he was called, maybe had some mildly conservative-sounding concepts implemented, but very early in his POTUS-ship we had 9 / 11. If you'll recall, our failure to recognize the real threat to the US was "A failure to comprehend the influence that radical Islam had on the US. And whose fauth was that? You guessed it, the CIA! & who was director of the CIA back in the late 1970s? George H W Bush!! My point in this diatribe on US POTUS "Choices" for our Chief Executive? Why hasn't the GOP consistently offered us, the US of A voters consistently a truly conservative choice for our Chief Executive?
 

Yeshua1

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You are just repeating the claim (as is your ha it) instead of backing up your allegation. Your claim is false. Don’t tell lies.


Republicans (and Trump) hold to that as well.


Please provide documentation.


You previously made this claim and are just repeating it without supporting the accusation. Stop spreading lies.


If most Muslims DIDN’T understood their religion as a religion of peace, we would be in an endless war here in the US and across the world. There is a HUMAN problem with people using religious belief to control others, including to kill people.


Please provide documentation of this position. What you may not like is that you accusation is more similar to what the Bible teaches than what either Republicans or Democrats believe.


It’s a historical fact that there was both wide acceptance and the practice of chattel slavery in the “slave states” is well-documented US history. A person who DOESN’T believe that is completely deluded.


White people have controlled the institutions of power, at the federal, state and local levels, throughout almost all of US history. To ignore that is also to live in delusion.


Other than Jesus, I don’t look to other people to define my beliefs.

You need to either back up your wild claims or repent of repeating lies.
Democrats per their platform support Infanticide, and also support abomination of gay and lesbian "lifestyles"
 

Rob_BW

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Let's be honest, it isnt rational versus radicals. Trump represented the culmination of the rights flirtation with populism, which started with things like the TEA Parties. And now the establishment Republicans want things to go back to normal.
 

Revmitchell

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Let's be honest, it isnt rational versus radicals. Trump represented the culmination of the rights flirtation with populism, which started with things like the TEA Parties. And now the establishment Republicans want things to go back to normal.

well except that the Tea part much like Trumps support included independents and Democrats as well as diverse races and sexual orientations
 
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