RE: Fundamental Baptists.....

Beep, Beep! Roadrunner...if he catches you you're through...Beep, Beep!!!!!

Joseph Botwinick

 

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Roadrunner:
Bible standards Earnie? You mean like boycotting Disney, no peeing with the seat down...what?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Ernie clearly said Bible standards. Can you find either of the above in the Bible?

 

Thomas says, Ernie clearly said Bible standards. Can you find either of the above in the Bible?

RR- Well, no. But then again, I can't find any of the other myriads of standards that fundamentalists have either.

Yes, Thomas, he did say Bible standards, but I'd still like to know what THAT means, unless it is stuff like 'love your enemies,' humble yourselves, or something that is plainly commanded in the NT.

My point is there is no such thing as Bible standards. All of the standards are individual applications of general principles laid out in the NT. So rules like:

1. no TV or movies
2. no slacks for women
3. no shopping on Sunday
4. etc, etc

may or may not be what the Lord wants you to do, but, he does not call christians to binds other men's consciences according to our own.

Sincerely,
RR

 

Hey, Road Runner; go to bed, already!

 

Beep, Beep!

 

I think RR has a legitament point here in saying that the fundamentalist tend to ignore commands such as "Judge not lest ye be judged." I tend to agree with fundamental doctrine but detest fundamental "politics" in religion. All sins are equal in the sight of God and all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. This is where I seperate from this movement. I think they lack a certain compassion that I feel is a cornerstone of Christian philosophy.

May God bless you

- Clint

 

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ernie Brazee:
Packerbacker are you incapable of comprehension? I plainly said BIBLE STANDARDS.
ERNIE<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I think I’m capable of comprehension, even though you seem to think not. Seriously I would like to know what you meant by Biblical standards. For example, what were the standards or lack of that you saw in some so-called Fundamental churches that caused you to see them as liars?

 

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Roadrunner:
1. no TV or movies<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>The bible is silent regarding TV and movies. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>2. no slacks for women<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>1 Timothy 2:9 tells us that women are to adorn themselves in appropriate lowered robes. There is no question about that other than if it is refering only to the church service, or for all public places. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>3.no shopping on Sunday<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>The Bible is silent on both shopping and doing other things on Sunday.

[ January 01, 2002: Message edited by: Thomas Cassidy ]

 

Beep, Beep!

 

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Dr. Bob Griffin:
Have to admit, this is a fun thread to watch! Great ifb standard of "Toilet seat up or down" is a new one to me!

Up at the cabin, we have an outhouse. Guess I must not be a REAL fundamentalist after all! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hold on to your outhouse, Dr. Bob. We are still awaiting the offical list from Ernie as to what standards must be kept to be true Fundamentalist instead of liars.

 

Whenever someone compiles this list, remember to include no pool tables or playing cards. (Of course UNO, Rook, and Old Maid are OK.)

And remind me which side of my head I'm supposed to part my hair on.

No pleated slacks for men, either.

My point is this: All of these standards have at one point or another been purported to be "biblical" based on some interpretation (or mis-interpretation) of Scripture. What they all have in common is that they are NOT clearly-defined commands of Scripture. Therefore, they are not issues worth dying for (or fighting over). Yes, I did end that sentence with a preposition.
If something is a fundamental of my faith, (I hope) I would die for it.

If being KJV only is part of the criteria for being a Fundamentalist, someone should tell the guys who wrote The Fundamentals, since they quoted the ASV (forerunner to the NASV) in their articles more than any other version.

Fundamentalism ought to be defined by what is was historically, not by what different groups want it to be today. If you want to be a KJVO Fundamentalist, fine, but please come up with a new name for yourself instead of trying to pilfer ours.

 

I find it interesting that some people seem to make up silly "standards" so they can cloud the issue of real biblical standards and thusly ignore them. Let's see, the bible says do thus and so. Now, I don't want to do that, so I will add 10 silly rules to what God says, then I will say "These standards are s*t*u*p*i*d*" - that way I will be able to ignore all of them, including the one God commanded. Sorry state of affairs!

[ January 02, 2002: Message edited by: Thomas Cassidy ]

 

Dude, if you're doing a comb-over, I don't care what side of your head you're "parting" your hair--get a haircut! Bald is in!

I like what Dr. Cassidy is telling y'all; my personal understanding of scripture (and remember, I'm an independent fundamental) is that it tells us to dress modestly, and to avoid lust of the eyes.

 

Dr Bob &gt;Have to admit, this is a fun thread to watch! Great ifb standard of "Toilet seat up or down" is a new one to me!

RR- Absolutely.

"Let all things be done decently and in order."

I. Relieving oneself with the seat down is not decent, because:
1. It offends the fairer sex, and whatever offends the crown of creation must surely be a base and ungodly thing.
2. It is unsanitary, thus bringing more filth into the home, and a bad smell.
3. Smaller holes make harder targets, thus illustrating the scripture "if the iron be dull, then must he put to more strength."

II. Relieving oneself with the seat down is against order because it was not designed to be so done. Those "seat downers" are thus revealing a rebellious heart because they refuse to do it the intended way.

All you standards preachers, please update your official list of standards to include 'no peeing with the seat down.'

 

Thomas Cassidy &gt;I find it interesting that some people seem to make up silly "standards" so they can cloud the issue of real biblical standards and thusly ignore them. Let's see, the bible says do thus and so. Now, I don't want to do that, so I will add 10 silly rules to what God says, then I will say "These standards are s*t*u*p*i*d*" - that way I will be able to ignore all of them, including the one God commanded. Sorry state of affairs!

RR- You were asked what the Bible standards were, and you didn't respond. What are the true Bible standards? By the way 'no shopping on Sunday' WAS INDEED one of the standards that was preached, but it has been abandoned.

 

Thomas, you said:
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>I find it interesting that some people seem to make up silly "standards" so they can cloud the issue of real biblical standards and thusly ignore them.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Who's making stuff up? My list is entirely made up of real standards preached as "biblical" by Fundamentalists. I've heard it.

What I'm saying is that no one's APPLICATION of principles is equivalent to the authoritative Word of God. Your list of standards is no more authoritative than someone's who may be less restrictive than yours.

By the way, where in the world do you get "women are to adorn themselves in appropriate lowered robes" from "modest apparel"? (the actual wording, at least in the KJV, as it's all I have handy) Do you also condemn women wearing braids, gold, or pearls, as the verse directly deals with?

 

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Originally posted by Ernie Brazee:
Packerbacker are you incapable of comprehension? I plainly said BIBLE STANDARDS.
ERNIE
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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>
I think I’m capable of comprehension, even though you seem to think not. Seriously I would like to know what you meant by Biblical standards. For example, what were the standards or lack of that you saw in some so-called Fundamental churches that caused you to see them as liars? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>[b/]

Well, whether you agree or not the Bible says women are to adorn themselves in modest apparel. Skin tight sweats are not modest apparel. A fundamental Baptist has dress standards. This is not MY standard but God's. Why do so many here whine about Bible standards? Don't you want to please the Lord? When I was a baby Christian (or newly saved) there were tings the Lord convicted me about being wrong, don't you people here experience this? Is this an unusual happening in your life?

There were many things I just knew were wrong, no man had to tell me! No, I won't waste my time posting here all the things God convicted me about as then many will start asking questions for the sake of debate about those.

If God doesn't speak to you about things that should chnge in your life you need to check and see if you really know him.


It is a blessing to clean up one's lfe for the Lord not the dreadful chore many try to make it.

Backpacker, u may think you are smug with your remark about my explaining standards, well if you can't pray and study God's word and come to the same conclusion many who truly love Christ have, then you have a serious problem!!

Standards are found i god's Word, but if you don't have the truth them the truth can't make you free. So many of you sre still slaves to your old sinful nature as you mock thse who proclaim the truth! But, then so did the religious leaders in Jesus day.

II Corinthians 5:17!

Ephesians 2:10

We will be changed when we are truly saved and we will do all we cant o please Hime who died for us!!

If you only have a desire to please your flesh ten you better check on your relationship!!
Don't send me e-mail, or demand an apology, no one has apologized for the snide remarks made about me.

Ernie

[ January 02, 2002: Message edited by: Ernie Brazee ]

 

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Roadrunner:
You were asked what the Bible standards were, and you didn't respond.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>I already responded to your post. If you did not read my other post why should I have any confidence you will read another one?