Re-location camps

[Zenas]

There is never, ever, under any circumstance justification for interring US citizens on a racial, religious, national origin, or any other group basis.

If there is a heightened risk of them being subversive in a time when we are fighting for our national survival, yes there is just cause for containing them in advance. If we wait for someone to commit an act of treason or terrorism and then deal with them, it is too late. The Japanese didn't start WWII with the idea of losing. Their air craft actually bombed an American submarine within eyesight of the Olympic Peninsula. I repeat, there wasn't a single act of Japanese terrorism on our mainland during WWII.

It is an abhorrent idea, and I would have to hear 'from the horse's mouth' that any citizens interred thusly were happy about it.

I have as close to a first hand account as you can get without going to the source. My college friend's parents met each other in the camp. He told me more than once that they were happy in their surroundings.

It sets a HUGELY dangerous precedent. It is easy to see how non-mainstream Christians could one day be treated in this manner.

Thay may happen when our country is attacked by a Christian forces. By the way, I doubt if the Americans in Japan were given many liberties during WWII.

 

[NiteShift]

Please explain the difference using example from US history. The economic benefits of US Indian policy or the Monroe Doctrine, for example.

billwald, you said that "patriotic Americans" stole Japanese property. Why would you make that distinction? You don't know anything about the character of such people. As I said, it could just as well have been lefty union organizers as anyone else.

The US eventually paid $1.6 billion dollars in reparations to Japanese-Americans who had been interred or lost property.

 

[Bro. James]

It will probably take a lot more than $1.6B to fix Japan's current dilemma. They need our help.

Re: crusades. Jesus said to go and preach; He never said anything about crusading. What was "Christ-like" about the "Christians" in the Crusades to the Holy Land?

In hoc signo vinces was probably not an apparition from Christ. The progeny of that group still controls much of the wonderful world of Christendom.

Do we still have detainees at Guantanamo? Have they had due process?

Now what?

Peace,

Bro. James

 

[NiteShift]

It will probably take a lot more than $1.6B to fix Japan's current dilemma. They need our help.

Well yes but what do reparations paid to internees from 60-70 years ago have to do with the current trouble in Japan?

Re: crusades. Jesus said to go and preach; He never said anything about crusading. What was "Christ-like" about the "Christians" in the Crusades to the Holy Land?

How many Americans took part in the Crusades again?

Do we still have detainees at Guantanamo? Have they had due process?

No, and that would be because almost from the start, lawsuits were filed preventing military tribunals. Current Attorney-General Holder took part in many of these lawsuits as an attorney with Covington & Burling, who filed suits on behalf of 18 of detainees, Free of charge!

 

[just-want-peace]

As usual the liberal faction can see the "injustice" of actions to protect our country in a time of serious threats, but are totally blind to the failures of the social programs that they continuously insist will lead us to UTOPIA!

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

As usual the liberal faction can see the "injustice" of actions to protect our country in a time of serious threats, but are totally blind to the failures of the social programs that they continuously insist will lead us to UTOPIA!

It's liberal to believe in the Constitutional rights of American citizens?

If that is the case I guess I am a liberal. Loyal, faithful, innocent American citizens were deprived of 'life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.'

How can that be defended, especially when their sons were fighting and dying for their country on the battlefields of Europe?

 

[just-want-peace]

It's liberal to believe in the Constitutional rights of American citizens?

If that is the case I guess I am a liberal. Loyal, faithful, innocent American citizens were deprived of 'life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.'

How can that be defended, especially when their sons were fighting and dying for their country on the battlefields of Europe?

It would aid in the discussion if you were to address the point(s) made rather than what you want(?) it to mean! I made no comment (much less defended:BangHead as to the legality, legitimacy or morality of the action.

If I was not clear, I apologize, but the POINT being made was/is the condemnation of the liberals of an action when the country was in great distress, and well meaning actions were not always that good, and all this in retrospect.
At the same time this same retrospect view does nothing to dissuade them from pursuing programs that not only have failed, but seem to have made the targeted problem worse.

The hypocrisy is astounding!!

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

I apologise. I can't see the connection between attacking illegal internment and defending socialist programmes.

 

[NiteShift]

How can that be defended, especially when their sons were fighting and dying for their country on the battlefields of Europe?

It can only be defended by pointing out that it was wartime, and decisions were made that would not have been made in peacetime. It’s easy to condemn actions taken when we are sitting in an easy chair many years later.

We excuse lying with a shrug and the comment that it is just pragmatism when candidates lie, but condemn actions taken when the country was at risk.

On the day that Pearl Harbor was attacked, certain Japanese residents in Hawaii assisted Japanese pilots who had crash landed (see the Niihau incident). And there was in fact at least one Japanese spy ring operating on the west coast during the war (see Tachibana spy ring). Certainly these are mitigating circumstances.

BTW, the Canadians also interred Japanese-Canadians in their country as a precautionary measure.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

'We' never excuse lying. 'We' just point out that the current president does not have a monopoly on it.

Though, since we are accustomed to political lying it does not have the impact of depriving citizens of their constitutional rights based on where there ancestors were born. Though the detention camps were not death camps like thet were in Germany citizens were still deprived of their rights on a racial basis alone.

That is wrong, just like lying, no matter who does it.

Would another terrorist attack by someone who associated themselves with a 'Christian militia' be grounds for rounding up all Christians?

 

[NiteShift]

Would another terrorist attack by someone who associated themselves with a 'Christian militia' be grounds for rounding up all Christians?

If this hypothetical Christian Militia had an air force, a navy and an army, and had attacked our fleet at Pearl Harbor, then it would be understandable if all hypothetical 'Christian Militias' were rounded up.

In fact not all Japanese-Americans were rounded up. Only those who refused to relocate to the interior. And nobody says it was Ok, only that it made sense under the circumstances.

 

[Crabtownboy]

If this hypothetical Christian Militia had an air force, a navy and an army, and had attacked our fleet at Pearl Harbor, then it would be understandable if all hypothetical 'Christian Militias' were rounded up.

In fact not all Japanese-Americans were rounded up. Only those who refused to relocate to the interior. And nobody says it was Ok, only that it made sense under the circumstances.

And why was not the same done to all those who were German or of German descent? After all there was much Nazi sympathy among the US German community and organizations they could join. I know of no pro-Japanese organizations at that time.

 

[Salty]

And why was not the same done to all those who were German or of German descent? After all there was much Nazi sympathy...

Some 10,000 Germans were re-located according to this web site