Reality Shows

[Alcott]

I watch very little television other than sports and, if I get my signal back-- I'm so tired of reading that-- documentaries. So I don't know much about "reality shows." But I do know it would be hard to convince me reality is really what they are. And I don't know anything about this Duggar and whatever he or she is about.

 

[JonC]

Considering the scandal involving Josh Dugger, are reality shows that contain as a featured selling-point the main characters' religion a good way to promote the gospel?

I have my own opinion but wonder about others'.

It may be a good way for the actors to promote the gospel, but no, it is not a good way for others to promote the gospel. It never is a good idea to hang our religion on these people...not just speaking of the Duggers. And you are right that this directly relates to politicians.

 

[Gina B]

I changed my mind. Given what I know now, the parents were deceitful, cruel, and did not adequately try to protect the victims. Ugh! I should have known more before speaking.

 

[Use of Time]

I changed my mind. Given what I know now, the parents were deceitful, cruel, and did not adequately try to protect the victims. Ugh! I should have known more before speaking.

Yep, those children were failed by so many people on this.

 

[righteousdude2]

Considering the scandal involving Josh Dugger, are reality shows that contain as a featured selling-point the main characters' religion a good way to promote the gospel?

I have my own opinion but wonder about others'.

This was actually a sad and tragic event, and one that has hurt so many in the process. But sin has been known to tear apart marriages, families and even churches. No one is beyond temptation and any of can wake up and find ourselves in a situation like the Dugger family. We need to weep with them and pray their family heals and recovers.

 

[Zaac]

I changed my mind. Given what I know now, the parents were deceitful, cruel, and did not adequately try to protect the victims. Ugh! I should have known more before speaking.

That's the part that got me. It just seemed more like trying to protect the "brand" than anything else.

I still can't believe that Oprah's show got wind of this back in 2006, but the story didn't leak.

 

[annsni]

For those who say that this was handled wrong, had this been your son and daughters, just what would you have done?

The sad thing that I've read is that many parents say "I would throw him in jail and throw away the key." I highly doubt they would do that to their own beloved flesh and blood son.

 

[Use of Time]

For those who say that this was handled wrong, had this been your son and daughters, just what would you have done?


The sad thing that I've read is that many parents say "I would throw him in jail and throw away the key." I highly doubt they would do that to their own beloved flesh and blood son.

I have absolutely no problem saying that this was handled tragically.

You think what his parents did helped anybody? A stern talking to from a state trooper? Really? I give my three year old a stern talking to when she colors on the walls. I wouldn't give it to a 15 year old who was molesting his sisters. The family did nothing to help (aside from trying to bury all his problems.) The police didn't do their job as far as mandatory reporting either. Who knows who else this guy got to unless we think the stern talking to solved his problems. Hard decisions have to be made sometimes as a parent. Get your kid some legitimate help for crying out loud. How many warning signs do you need and how many of your own kids have to suffer?

 

[annsni]

I have absolutely no problem saying that this was handled tragically.

You think what his parents did helped anybody? A stern talking to from a state trooper? Really? I give my three year old a stern talking to when she colors on the walls. I wouldn't give it to a 15 year old who was molesting his sisters. The family did nothing to help (aside from trying to bury all his problems.) The police didn't do their job as far as mandatory reporting either. Who knows who else this guy got to unless we think the stern talking to solved his problems. Hard decisions have to be made sometimes as a parent. Get your kid some legitimate help for crying out loud. How many warning signs do you need and how many of your own kids have to suffer?

Again I ask - What would you do?

 

[Use of Time]

Again I ask - What would you do?

I would report him to the police. He was 15. He wasn't going to be put away forever but he would receive some actual professional counseling and would be removed from harming my other kids during the process. This is not a great scenario but it accomplished two things. I have removed a danger to my children and I have hopefully kickstarted a sequence of events that could eventually lead to the rehabilitation of my son. I would also be doing society a favor by having removing him from opportunities to harm others.

I mean, do we really think there haven't been subsequent instances where Duggar has had the opportunity to harm other people's kids and possibly acted on them. How did that family sleep at night by just sweeping it under the rug. I would have been fearful for my children that have to coexist with their tormentor. It's hard to imagine a more horrific environment to be forced to live in if you are those girls.

 

[annsni]

I would report him to the police. He was 15. He wasn't going to put away forever but he would receive some actual professional counseling and would be removed from harming my other kids during the process. This is not a great scenario but it accomplished two things. I have removed a danger to my children and I have hopefully kickstarted a sequence of events that could eventually lead to the rehabilitation of my son. I would also be doing society a favor by having removing him from opportunities to harm others.

I mean, do we really think there haven't been subsequent instances where Duggar has had the opportunity to harm other people's kids and possibly acted on them. How did that family sleep at night by just sweeping it under the rug. I would have been fearful for my children that have to coexist with their tormentor. It's hard to imagine a more horrific environment to be forced to live in if you are those girls.

He was removed from the home after this happened. He was also in counseling (I don't think secular counseling is going to properly address this issue - although I don't think Gothard-style counseling helps either).

The key here is this: Was he a pedophile who targeted children and still continues to desire children over adults? I do not believe so. I believe this was a kid who had some messed up upbringing (Gothard) and succumbed to sin in his life but he knows what he did was wrong, repented of it and has gone on to live a life without being a predator to children.

Here is a good article addressing some of the issues. I disagree with some of what was written (yes, absolutely sin is sin and the Bible tells us that so I don't explain that away) but it's a good article addressing this overall.

http://fiddlrts.blogspot.com/2015/05/the-duggars-how-fundamentalisms.html?spref=fb

 

[Use of Time]

He was removed from the home after this happened. He was also in counseling (I don't think secular counseling is going to properly address this issue - although I don't think Gothard-style counseling helps either).

The key here is this: Was he a pedophile who targeted children and still continues to desire children over adults? I do not believe so. I believe this was a kid who had some messed up upbringing (Gothard) and succumbed to sin in his life but he knows what he did was wrong, repented of it and has gone on to live a life without being a predator to children.

Here is a good article addressing some of the issues. I disagree with some of what was written (yes, absolutely sin is sin and the Bible tells us that so I don't explain that away) but it's a good article addressing this overall.

http://fiddlrts.blogspot.com/2015/05/the-duggars-how-fundamentalisms.html?spref=fb

Michelle Duggar acknowledged in 2006 that they sent him to go work for a friend's home remodeling business for the summer and that there was no counseling. So the extent of Josh's punishment boils down to a stern talking to (ironically from a guy who is now serving a prison sentence for child pornography) and a summer job. That isn't removing him from the situation at all. It's all well and good that you want to believe it was a one off thing but I hope for the sake of those he has been around growing up that you are correct. His family ignored warning signs, failed to find a treatment and failed potentially failed subsequent victims.

 

[annsni]

Michelle Duggar acknowledged in 2006 that they sent him to go work for a friend's home remodeling business for the summer and that there was no counseling. So the extent of Josh's punishment boils down to a stern talking to and a summer job. That isn't removing him from the situation at all.

Was there a police report?

How is the kid going to someone else's place not removing him from the situation?

 

[Zaac]

I would report him to the police. He was 15. He wasn't going to be put away forever but he would receive some actual professional counseling and would be removed from harming my other kids during the process. This is not a great scenario but it accomplished two things. I have removed a danger to my children and I have hopefully kickstarted a sequence of events that could eventually lead to the rehabilitation of my son. I would also be doing society a favor by having removing him from opportunities to harm others.

Precisely. I've dealt with similar situations in the past for kids about that age. They were almost ALWAYS immediately removed from the home if they were molesting a sibling. You just about have to get them out of the house because there has to be time for them to get counseling and for everyone else involved to come to grips with what took place.

The kids that I've dealt with in the past have often been sent to boy's ranches or homes where counseling is part of their day to day routine.

Something that hasn't come up yet and I'm wondering when it will. But most folks who do what he did, had it done to them. Somebody is gonna do some digging and probably find out that he, too, was molested.

I mean, do we really think there haven't been subsequent instances where Duggar has had the opportunity to harm other people's kids and possibly acted on them. How did that family sleep at night by just sweeping it under the rug. I would have been fearful for my children that have to coexist with their tormentor. It's hard to imagine a more horrific environment to be forced to live in if you are those girls.

There had to have been a real strain on them to be comfortable in the same house with him.

 

[Use of Time]

Was there a police report?

How is the kid going to someone else's place not removing him from the situation?

For three months! He did a little dry wall for the summer and then comes home a new man? Really? Tell me you are not this naïve. I've read the police report where it looks like Jim Bob lied about where he sent him and Michelle eventually came clean about it.

The only reason a police report was ever created was because some anonymous person reported it some three and a half years later. Statute of Limitations kept it from going anywhere.

 

[Zaac]

Michelle Duggar acknowledged in 2006 that they sent him to go work for a friend's home remodeling business for the summer and that there was no counseling. So the extent of Josh's punishment boils down to a stern talking to (ironically from a guy who is now serving a prison sentence for child pornography) and a summer job. That isn't removing him from the situation at all. It's all well and good that you want to believe it was a one off thing but I hope for the sake of those he has been around growing up that you are correct. His family ignored warning signs, failed to find a treatment and failed potentially failed subsequent victims.

That's it?

That in itself tells me that Josh was probably molested too and mama and daddy probably covered it up if it wasn't one of them.

You find something like that out, you do a little bit more than sending your kid to somebody else's house to work for the Summer.

Something is up.

 

[Rolfe]

I cannot get past the feeling that the saying about the fifty unseen rats on ship for every one observed applies.

 

[Zaac]

Ex-state trooper: Jim Bob Duggar lied and told me his son had molested only one girl

A former state trooper said Jim Bob Duggar – a one-time friend of his – lied when he brought his teenage son to him to discuss molestation claims, according to reports.

The reality show star said he took his eldest son, Josh Duggar, to meet with Joseph Hutchens, then an Arkansas state trooper and now serving a 56-year prison term for child pornography, a year after learning the teen had molested his sisters and at least one other girl.

But Hutchens said the patriarch of the “19 Kids and Counting” family lied to him and said the teen had molested only one girl, reported the InTouch Weekly.

“Jim Bob explained to me that Josh inappropriately touched [a victim] while she was asleep,” Hutchens told the magazine. “He said it only happened one time.”

Hutchens gave Josh Duggar “a very stern talk,” according to his father, but took no official action – but he told the magazine that he might have done more if he realized the extent of the abuse going on in the family’s home.

“I am a Christian myself, and I worry that if something else had happened, I would have been responsible,” said Hutchens, who was convicted four years later on child porn charges.

He served three years in prison but was arrested shortly after his 2010 release on four additional counts for distributing child pornography and remains in prison – where he spoke to an Arkansas lawyer on behalf of InTouch as part of an investigative report.

The magazine said nothing was promised in return to Hutchens in exchange for his cooperation.

The former law enforcement officer admits that he made the wrong decision by failing to report the child abuse to authorities – as required by law.

“I did what I thought was right, and obviously it wasn’t,” Hutchens said. “If I had to do it over again, I would have told him immediately I am going to call the hotline and contacted the trooper that worked those cases and have a full report made. I thought I could handle it myself.”

If the former state trooper’s account is accurate, legal experts say Jim Bob Duggar’s actions could amount to child endangerment.

However, the statute of limitations would have expired for prosecuting the 49-year-old Duggar for either Class D felony or Class A or B misdemeanor charges of child endangering.

His son was never prosecuted for sex abuse because the three-year statute of limitations had expired by the time other law enforcement officers found out about the case in 2006.

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/05/ex-...d-told-me-his-son-had-molested-only-one-girl/

I'm reading this thinking that Jim Duggars kept some questionable company. Your child molests your daughters and you just happen to send him to someone who dabbles in child porn?

Seriously?

 

[go2church]

Let's at the very least start with some legitimate counseling for the predator and the victims, especially the victims.

 

[Rolfe]

For those who say that this was handled wrong, had this been your son and daughters, just what would you have done?

The sad thing that I've read is that many parents say "I would throw him in jail and throw away the key." I highly doubt they would do that to their own beloved flesh and blood son.

And the five victims?