Really, REALLY struggling with calvinism

So now we have to follow John Gill also?

 

If unbelievers hated the Gospel always there never would be any saved.

 

A heart felt religion is the only true and undefiled religion and come from God. If it is not heart felt how in the world does it reach you. Man what answers.

 

No Jeremy;
The good part is she chose Jesus over the natural things. What sense would it make to say she chose the "good" part that would never be taken away if it was not her salvation. I don't know when she got it but He was talking about her salvation.

 

Yes, that is true, fortunately:
For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.
(Luke 19:10)
So even though that is true, God seeks us and saves us from our unbelief.

Just what exactly is the definition of "heart felt"?

Many people consider a good movie "heart warming"

That is a statement based on emotion (both of those statements)

 

I can accept that. A man hears the word and is convinced he is a sinner. Yep, I can accept that for sure.

Romans, chapter 10
12": For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

"13": For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

"14": How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

"15": And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

"16": But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

"17": So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

 

Who said to follow any man? Not I....nor do I. Not Calvin...nor did he. Not Gills, that I know of..and i'm sure he did not.

The point of the post is as follows...

Going by the post of others claiming to be non-calvin and more toward a slant of Arminianism.....are in fact Pelagianism.

this is Pelagianism

this is Pelagianism

this too is Pelagianism.


I bring up Gills ONLY to show that Gills being a Calvinist thought Arminianism is closer to the truth then what is posted by many on this board which is Pelagianism.

 

That sure knocks the pre-chosen in the head doesn't it?

 

You say the end result is Salvation so why the play on words?

 

are you asking me or God?

 

First, there are many examples, both inside the Bible and outside, of people who have resisted the grace of God. God's grace is not irresistable. I would call that doctrinal error. I would usually use a much stronger word, but I will restrain myself this time. One thing that calvinists conveniently ignore is that we are "elect according to the foreknowledge of God." The term "elect" does not infer that we are going to be saved and there is nothing we can do about it. There is. We can choose of our own free will to refuse or reject Christ. We have the choice. If you want to go to Hell then that is your choice. No one (if you are not saved) is preventing you. "According to his foreknowledge" refers to God's omniscience. God knows the decision you willl make ahead of time. It is not predetermined. He would not be God if He did not know. But he does not force you to make the decision that you make.

Genesis 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
--They were resisting the Spirit of God. His Spirit can be resisted.

Hebrews 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

The above quote by A.T. Robertson indicates that the Holy Spirit (or God's grace) can be resisted.
Someone's theology is wrong and I don't believe it is mine.

The elect are those who: believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thus are saved.
DHK

 

I said what answers. We are talking religion here.

 

It was still within God's will.

Adam had a will that was not influenced by sin in the way that ours is.

This does not change the book of ROmans at all which you seem desperate to disprove.

Just what exactly do you think the words predestinated mean?

It is clearly there.

 

why? are you saying that God had no idea that Adam would fall? Why not give God the honor and glory He is owed and say He knows all things and that He is in full control?

 

So are you saying that we lose free will upon salvation? It would make sense that we would then still be able to get out of salvation if we so chose to do so. Other wise that "free will" would be gone.

Yes, I know and there are many "heart felt" religions of emotions out there.

 

If my purpose on here or in life was to be Arminian or Calvinist then that might matter but my purpose is to be a Christian so I use the Scriptures.

I think if you check my posts they are Scripture for the most part.

 

I normally try to be nice with things like this but I think the answer is Arthur that is is because then certain people couldn't give themSELVES the honor and glory THEY want for themselves.

 

I already posted that I was talking about a pure and undefiled religion. You should read the posts first.

 

That would be great if it were a little more true.

You completely ignore Romans 8 and 9.

 

Post the whole quote and then ask a question, ok?