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Reasonable accomodations

agedman

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The governor has nothing to do with this. He can merely voice his opinion as a private citizen. Most governing bodies are independent, much like the NCAA in colleges.
Doesn't the governor appoint the education secretary of the state?
That person can override the schedule at will can they not?
 

AustinC

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Doesn't the governor appoint the education secretary of the state?
That person can override the schedule at will can they not?
No.
The sports organizations, overseeing the schools, are independent organizations. If they were under the State government then no private schools would be allowed to participate.
 

Reynolds

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The governor has nothing to do with this. He can merely voice his opinion as a private citizen. Most governing bodies are independent, much like the NCAA in colleges.
But the NCAA could not stop the NIL payments once California legalized them by statute.
 

agedman

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No.
The sports organizations, overseeing the schools, are independent organizations. If they were under the State government then no private schools would be allowed to participate.


Decades ago, in Texas, the state accreditation agency had no legal basis to recognize Christian schools other then those who were licensed by the state accrediting agency. Most Fundamental Christian Schools did not want State over-site, so, the legislators provided a basis for recognizing an organization that accredits the private school industry. I don't know what will happen if some voucher system becomes law. I'm sure some smarty will figure it out and we will all get to vote on it.

Having posted that, the private and public schools then can be found under the authority of the state education secretary for academic accountability and sports. Under the secretary we have what is referred to as the UIL which is the actual ruler of which all sports of state and private schools that have accreditation then must submit. The governor and the secretary of education can oblige the UIL to conform to a need to change a policy by impacting who is on the board.

But, again, Texas isn't Florida. We have only one natural lake.
 

AustinC

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https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2021/355/Analyses/h0355.SEC.PDF

In NY State, Christian Schools can choose to join public school sports leagues.
Understood, but the leagues are almost always non-goverment, non-profit organizations that are not under government ruling. They generate their revenue through fees the schools pay out in order to compete in the league.
Regardless, the league sets the rules.
I can see you think the 7DA school should have been accommodated. That's fine. I disagree.
 

Salty

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Understood, but the leagues are almost always non-goverment, non-profit organizations that are not under government ruling.

Regardless, the league sets the rules.
I can see you think the 7DA school should have been accommodated. That's fine. I disagree.

Let me rephrase you last sentence - A school that has a valid reason - should be considered for a reasonable accommodation. Granted, this particular school requested it based on religion- but religion should not be the only reason. This could include a non-religious private school. Again - if sunset was at 10 pm - a request to start the game after 10 pm is NOT reasonable.

So if you want to go "by the book" on every issue - don't complain when it bites you in the back. Remember the show - Brady Bunch - And Greg tells dad something along the line of "But that is not exactly what he said"
 

percho

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And Jesus said to them, 'Verily I say to you, that ye who did follow me, in the regeneration, when the Son of Man may sit upon a throne of his glory, shall sit -- ye also -- upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel; Matt 19:28

Shall sit?

February 20, 2022 Shall sit, past, present, future?

I believe to be, shall sit, still future. Assuming I am correct; Will there be school sports seven days a week?
 

AustinC

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But the NCAA could not stop the NIL payments once California legalized them by statute.
Correct. That was one law overriding. Are you suggesting the State of Florida write a law that forces the Sports league in Florida to make accommodations?
 

Reynolds

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Correct. That was one law overriding. Are you suggesting the State of Florida write a law that forces the Sports league in Florida to make accommodations?
No. Because it's a slippery slope we don't want to go down.
 

Salty

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Correct. That was one law overriding. Are you suggesting the State of Florida write a law that forces the Sports league in Florida to make accommodations?

How about just using common sense!
Suppose a school had to travel - 75 miles - on the way - the bus gets a flat tire - by the time the tire gets changed - they are 45 minutes late - do they have to forfeit?
 

AustinC

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How about just using common sense!
Suppose a school had to travel - 75 miles - on the way - the bus gets a flat tire - by the time the tire gets changed - they are 45 minutes late - do they have to forfeit?
It depends on the rules of the league.
 

canadyjd

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Florida High School sports will NOT give reasonable accommodations for a Seventh Day High school
for a Basketball playoff game.

The game is scheduled for 430 pm, an hour before sunset. There was another game schedule at 730, the the State refused to switch the games.
Thus the opposing team is scheduled to win the game via forfeit 2-0.

If you were the principal of the opposing school - would you have a problem to switch time so the SDA could play after sunset.
Would it make a difference if the game was rescheduled for a Sunday.?

Now if that team had been a Muslim school......
I think if all the schools involved agreed, I don’t see it being a problem.

If the team that will win by forfeit thinks an extra day of rest would benefit them, the coach might not be so agreeable.

Several years ago, we had 4 teams agree to switch games (not in a tournament) because two of the teams were really powerful, and the other two not so much. Additionally, the two powerful teams each had outstanding, college bound players that happened to be cousins.

A local sports writer, I think, came up with the idea for the switch and got things in motion. The two games were played at the local university in front of large crowds. It was quite a show.

peace to you
 

Salty

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I think if all the schools involved agreed, I don’t see it being a problem.

If the team that will win by forfeit thinks an extra day of rest would benefit them, the coach might not be so agreeable.

Several years ago, we had 4 teams agree to switch games (not in a tournament) because two of the teams were really powerful, and the other two not so much. Additionally, the two powerful teams each had outstanding, college bound players that happened to be cousins.

A local sports writer, I think, came up with the idea for the switch and got things in motion. The two games were played at the local university in front of large crowds. It was quite a show.

peace to you


BUT DID THAT BREAK ANY RULES :Biggrin
 

canadyjd

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BUT DID THAT BREAK ANY RULES :Biggrin
No. High school coaches make their own schedules with other coaches. They probably had to approve it through the principal or superintendent.

I see no reason, as you have mentioned, why games couldn’t be adjusted if all agreed. There may actually be something in writing that specifically addresses that and what constitutes a forfeit.

I suppose if the tournament charter stated “no changes”, ever, which is unlikely imo, then there would be no choice but to forfeit.

I wouldn’t see it as making a religious accommodation, though. Whatever decision is made should be within the structure of the rules for the tournament.

peace to you
 
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