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NetChaplain

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I've always thought the teaching that one can lose their salvation can come dangerously close to works righteousness, and I do believe due to this teaching that many do fall into this camp.
Hi, and like your ID with J Gill, my favorite commentator. So you may be familiar also with Albert Barnes, my second favorite (and I usually only need these two).

Thankfully, what one believes concerning growth truths doesn't effect essential truths of receiving salvation. Example of essential truth is doctrine required for receiving salvation; growth truths are doctrines relating to spiritual growth in Christ (Rom 8:29; 2Co 3:18; Eph 4:15).

Those in the Book of Life are un-hinderingly (probably not a word) led by God to salvific truth!
 

Cathode

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Tell me where this exact idea is taught in the Bible. Certainly Jesus did not say this. In fact, the way you present it, you can only get it from your church tradition, not the Bible.
The celebration of communion is in remembrance of what Christ did. (Mathew 26:26 and Luke 22:19)

“Your ancestors ate the manna in the wilderness, yet they died. 50 But here is the bread that comes down from heaven,which anyone may eat and not die. 51 I am the living bread that came down from heaven. Whoever eats this bread will live forever. This bread is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.”

Each day we go out as the Israelites did and gather the new Manna from Heaven. As the Israelites were sustained daily directly by God so we are sustained daily by the new Manna from Heaven, Jesus Himself in Covenant.

“Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Manand drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them. 57 Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who eats me will live because of me.”

We live by the daily bread sent directly by the Father Mercy to sustain us, Jesus Himself in the Eucharist.

“This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your ancestors ate manna and died, but whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.” 59 He said this while teaching in the synagogue in Capernaum.”

I was married once and for all. I and my wife do not have to keep going back to that church and keep being remarried everytime we argue. Our marriage doesn't end because we don't continually go through the marriage ceremony. That one event sealed our relationship. It is holy. We now remember it with anniversary dinners, but we don't keep going back to get remarried.

The Covenant is renewed every time two become One, not just in Spirit but in Truth. And so with Christ and His Bride the Church, the Covenant is renewed, Christ giving Life to His Bride in the Eucharistic Covenant.

Agreed, so stop doing your nonsense by imagining you have to keep going back to get more "spirit energy" via your ceremony. You have taken what is holy and merged it into a pagan idea of spirit energy by eating the energy and life source of a greater power. It's pure animism.


No, you are not. Jesus died 2000 years ago. You are not mystically brought back to the cross at Golgotha. That is pure paganism.

Catholicism is supernatural Christianity, not the desupernaturalised and rationalised beliefs of Protestantism, that believes only what it understands. It requires no faith to believe rationalisations.

We are drawn back to Christ Jesus on that one Cross at that one Sacrifice. You do not believe that Jesus draws all men himself on the Cross, which defies Jesus own words yet again.

You have embraced a mystical paganism, best expressed by Marvel Studios with their Dr Strange movies where a portal is created by which people pass into various dimensions.
Your church has abandoned God's word and embraced pagan mysticism and animism. Flee!

Protestantism is de-supernaturalised, rationalised and sanitised, what you are encountering is supernatural Christianity that truly believes the Divine Words of Christ.

“ Take this ALL of you and eat it, THIS IS my Body “

“ Take this ALL of you and drink it, THIS IS the Cup of my Blood, the Blood of the new and everlasting Covenant “

“ And when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw ALL men to myself “

“ My Flesh is real food, and my blood real drink “

Eat and drink, lest the journey be too long for you.
 
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