Reasons I disagree with the Left

[Salty]

Baptist Believer, IMHO made an excellent post about the beliefs of the left
Now, that does not mean I agree with his positions - but he did articulate them very well!

So On this page - lets discuss them - HOWEVER while discussing those you disagree,
you need to indicate, WHY you disagree - and an answer of "Boy, that is so stupid" will
not be accepted - only thought out answers will be permitted. In addition - lets leave the
jokes off this thread. Lets keep it a very serious thread.
As I stated on the "Liberal Thread" - I have the power to edit .....

I don't really want to speak for my friends on the left, but I can list a few things in the political/social realm since no one on the left seems to be on Baptistboard:

• 1. They want our society to create a large safety net for those who have life situations that undermine their ability to earn a living.
• 2. They want our society to provide a means for young people starting out and those who lose their jobs due to technology or economic changes to learn technical skills as well as advance their education through public colleges and universities without drowning in debt.
• 3. They want a way for everyone to have high-quality healthcare at a reasonable rate, without waste or favoritism, and are open to government-backed health systems as a possible means to that end.
• 4. They don't want the government to fund religious groups or religious schools, maintaining institutional separation of church and state.
• 5. They want all persons, regardless of gender, ethnicity, citizenship status, age, social standing, or wealth treated the same before the law.
• 6. They want LGBTQ+ persons treated with humility and kindness, with all the rights, responsibilities, and privileges of citizenship in a secular government.
• 7. They want fairness in the tax code, with persons reaping the most financial benefits from our nation's infrastructure to pay for a larger portion of what has made them successful.
• 8. They want life preserved, from the womb to the tomb, including the elimination of the death penalty.
• 9. They want our nation to have a robust immigration policy that allows temporary worker VISAs for agriculture and other seasonal labor, and attainable paths to citizenship for prospective immigrants.
• 10. They also want our nation to work with other nations to resettle refugees and displaced people, leading by example.
• 11. They want our nation to have a sensible and sustainable environmental policy, when possible, moving away from fossil fuels and developing more green solutions for energy and management of our natural resources. This mandate comes from God's original purpose for humankind to manage the earth properly as a steward to God.

There's more, but this is a sample of their positions off the top of my head.

So, "reply" to 1, 2, 3 or all the points and make a good point as to why you disagree!
(its okay to say you agree with one or two.

 

[Salty]

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1. They want our society to create a large safety net for those who have life situations that undermine their ability to earn a living..

Two things here: A) it is not the job nor responsibility of the Federal Govt to do these things.
B) Key phrase is "large" too many people depend way to much on the govt

2. They want our society to provide a means for young people starting out and those who lose their jobs due to technology or economic changes to learn technical skills as well as advance their education through public colleges and universities without drowning in debt..

See # 1 above

4. They don't want the government to fund religious groups or religious schools, maintaining institutional separation of church and state..

Yet, in # 6 you state that you want all to be treated equally. Remember - separation of church and State means that the State is too stay out of the business of the church!

7. They want fairness in the tax code, with persons reaping the most financial benefits from our nation's infrastructure to pay for a larger portion of what has made them successful..

It is true that there is NOT fairness in taxes- as some 25% of the population pays some 85% of all income taxes! and some 20% of Americian workers pay NO federal income tax. Too make it equal, I support the The Automated Payment Transaction Tax

8. They want life preserved, from the womb to the tomb, including the elimination of the death penalty

Actually, most liberals believe in abortion. and many liberals believe in "mercy killing" As far as the death penalty - that choice is made by the individual when he commits a crime.

9. They want our nation to have a robust immigration policy that allows temporary worker VISAs for agriculture and other seasonal labor, and attainable paths to citizenship for prospective immigrants.

Fully agree - PROVIDED they entered this country LEGALLY!!! However - during this time of the Chinese virus - the USA does retain the right to limit immigration.

11. They want our nation to have a sensible and sustainable environmental policy, when possible, moving away from fossil fuels and developing more green solutions for energy and management of our natural resources. This mandate comes from God's original purpose for humankind to manage the earth properly as a steward to God.

Key word is sensible - I see no need to outlaw fossil fuels. If the market provides for green energy - and the consumer chooses to use it - FINE! As our liberal friends like to say "the right to choose"

IF you tend to be more on the liberal side (economic and/or social) click herehttps://www.baptistboard.com/threads/what-the-christian-left-wants-second-chance.118439/#post-2655181

 

[Baptist Believer]

Actually, most liberals believe in abortion...

You have forgotten that I am talking about Christians, not mainstream social liberals.

 

[Salty]

You have forgotten that I am talking about Christians, not mainstream social liberals.

You might be surprised! Less than half of US evangelicals identify as 'pro-life,' new poll suggests

 

[Revmitchell]

Baptist Believer, IMHO made an excellent post about the beliefs of the left
Now, that does not mean I agree with his positions - but he did articulate them very well!

So On this page - lets discuss them - HOWEVER while discussing those you disagree,
you need to indicate, WHY you disagree - and an answer of "Boy, that is so stupid" will
not be accepted - only thought out answers will be permitted. In addition - lets leave the
jokes off this thread. Lets keep it a very serious thread.
As I stated on the "Liberal Thread" - I have the power to edit .....



So, "reply" to 1, 2, 3 or all the points and make a good point as to why you disagree!
(its okay to say you agree with one or two.

No he didnt articulate them well. He doctored them up to look rosey. They were biased in the lefts favor rather that unbiased and matter of fact.

 

[Salty]

No he didnt articulate them well. He doctored them up to look rosey. They were biased in the lefts favor rather that unbiased and matter of fact.

and that is exactaly what that thread is for! That thread is for the liberals to give their point of view -
and as posted on that page: "Liberals - this is your opportunity to express your views without the right bugging you".

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

You have forgotten that I am talking about Christians, not mainstream social liberals.

If we are ever going to have a fruitful discussion regarding Dem Progressive Left vs Rep Conservative Right, then we must stop with the double standards.

Trump is a prime example. He is incessantly attacked by the Left based on character. But not compared to the likes of Hillary or Biden, but rather to the standards of Paul.

This may be the worst aspect of the so-called Christian Left. The Left has no standards of their own, thus permit their own the worst sins imaginable. But they will nonetheless use high moral standards against the Right, often through false accusation, but always hypocritically.

 

[evenifigoalone]

That is a very good and fair list and I agree with most of the positions stated. The main one I'm iffy on is government healthcare.... I still have a few fiscally right leanings, even though I've shifted center left overall.

Also, I would heavily, heavily disagree that the left is prolife, but that has already been addressed.

I am not morally opposed to the death penalty. But I am opposed to it just on grounds that the data suggests it's expensive and not much of a deterrent for crime.

 

[Salty]

I am not morally opposed to the death penalty. But I am opposed to it just on grounds that the data suggests it's expensive and not much of a deterrent for crime.

Well, I can guarantee you that the criminal who is executed, will never murder someone again.

Why are murder trials so expensive - the endless appeal.....

 

[Reformed1689]

Baptist Believer, IMHO made an excellent post about the beliefs of the left
Now, that does not mean I agree with his positions - but he did articulate them very well!

So On this page - lets discuss them - HOWEVER while discussing those you disagree,
you need to indicate, WHY you disagree - and an answer of "Boy, that is so stupid" will
not be accepted - only thought out answers will be permitted. In addition - lets leave the
jokes off this thread. Lets keep it a very serious thread.
As I stated on the "Liberal Thread" - I have the power to edit .....



So, "reply" to 1, 2, 3 or all the points and make a good point as to why you disagree!
(its okay to say you agree with one or two.

I disagree with all of that. That is what they say but that is NOT what they mean. The ways of getting to those things is a socialist/communist godless agenda and I want no part in it.

 

[Scott Downey]

You might be surprised! Less than half of US evangelicals identify as 'pro-life,' new poll suggests

Evidence of the Great Apostasy taking place. Church is becoming like the world, thinks as the world thinks, talks like they do and often walks like they do.

 

[Salty]

Evidence of the Great Apostasy taking place. Church is becoming like the world, thinks as the world thinks, talks like they do and often walks like they do.

I visited a Baptist church once - pastor said - until the cord is cut - abortion is acceptable becuase
the baby has not yet had the breath of life.

 

[Scott Downey]

I visited a Baptist church once - pastor said - until the cord is cut - abortion is acceptable becuase
the baby has not yet had the breath of life.

Very sad. I also know a Christian that says social justice, systemic racism is more important than abortion.