Recent Studies on Heart Health

So did anybody else notice that the article Jim posted said nothing about harmfull effects of alcohol in moderation? It did mention harmfull effects from over drinking or mixing alcohol with medication, but where was the indictment of moderation?

Jim, once again you are reading into things and misconsturing statements just so they are in line with your beliefs. Your quote of Gold Dragon is easy proof of this. You thought his post proved your assumption but you were wrong.

If you wish to not drink, don't.

And by the way, the article did not say the beneficial effects of wine are nonexistent it just said there are other sources to get the same benefits.

[ April 21, 2005, 03:28 PM: Message edited by: yabba ]

 

Thank you for quoting what I actually said which had no definite relationships and not one mention of the phrase brain damage.

Increased sulca size and infarction rates in moderate alcohol consumers does not equate to brain damage. They may be indications of brain enhancements although that is highly unlikely. There appears to be some increased damage to the brain for moderate drinkers but there was no statistical analysis on whether the differences are statistically significant.

The researchers state in their article that they do not know the clinical effects of the changes in brain morphology that they observed.

Observing their data for occassional or low alcohol consumers, nothing at all can be stated because there is so little difference from those who never drink.

 

*didn't meant to post again*

 

When it comes to alcohol, mandatory abstinence is a Moslim thing not a Christian thing.

 

Is God giving his approval for them to use the tithe for whatsoever their soul lusteth after? What if they wanted some women to go along with that strong drink? The verses throw me.

 

Context, Jim, context.

I made no comment on the verses at all.

I simply provided a requested example of a Biblical reference in which "strong drink" is not condemned. If you have a problem with the verses, your problem is with God's Word, and not with me; since I made no comment on the verses in any way, shape, or form.

Oh, and BTW, the verses are from the KJV.

 

I apologize for the rabbit trail, but the verses have always intrigued me. First, God is approving the tithe not to come into the storehouse (or is he?), and second, I have never been able to find any place in the OT where he actually designated this 'special place' to use the tithe as they please.

 

From the American Heart Association
ALCOHOL, WINE AND CARDIOVASCULAR DISEASE
Dated: March 6, 2005

Most Cardiologists I know would recommend limiting your drinking to one glass of red wine per day.
If you are not a drinker there are no strong reasons to start.

Rob

 

And there is scriptural proof that wine is "approved by God himself"... Proverbs 31:6-7; I Timothy 5:23. Or do you disobey the Word of God and not give wine to those 'of heavy hearts' and strong drink to those who are perishing?

And cutting out all kinds of meat is "beneficial to one's health" in relation to consuming meats. If your argument is what is more beneficial, the argument against meats is as valid as that against alcohol. God's Word approves of both, but that does not mean both or either are beneficial to health... which is always a relative question anyway, as in the I Timothy passage.

 

av1611jim
You want me to quote the 18th amendment of your own countries constitution at you? Baptists had a lot to do with putting it there.

Yes there is no good reason (healthwise) to daily consume alcohol when you live in a place that has enough clean water. Just like there is no good reason (healthwise) to daily consume meat after reaching adulthood.

 

Even if there were health benefits to drinking alcohol, it still wouldn't make it right. Suppose there are health benefits to using stem cells from aborted fetuses to grow new livers for rich men who drank theirs into oblivion. Would that make it ok?

 

Your comparing drinking alcohol in moderation(which is not condemned anywhere in the Bible) to murder of a child(which is condemned over and over again in the Bible)!!! You guys really are rediculous.

 

I don't believe anyone here has used any health benefits of alcohol to justify its biblical use.

 

Article [XVIII].

Section 1. After one year from the ratification of this article the manufacture, sale, or transportation of intoxicating liquors within, the importation thereof into, or the exportation thereof from the United States and all territory subject to the jurisdiction thereof for beverage purposes is hereby prohibited.

Section. 2. The Congress and the several States shall have concurrent power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

Section. 3. This article shall be inoperative unless it shall have been ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by the legislatures of the several States, as provided in the Constitution, within seven years from the date of the submission hereof to the States by the Congress.

Proposal and Ratification

The eighteenth amendment to the Constitution of the United States was proposed to the legislatures of the several States by the Sixty-fifth Congress, on the 18th of December, 1917, and was declared, in a proclamation of the Secretary of State, dated the 29th of January, 1919, to have been ratified by the legislatures of 36 of the 48 States. The dates of ratification were: Mississippi, January 8, 1918; Virginia, January 11, 1918; Kentucky, January 14, 1918; North Dakota, January 25, 1918; South Carolina, January 29, 1918; Maryland, February 13, 1918; Montana, February 19, 1918; Texas, March 4, 1918; Delaware, March 18, 1918; South Dakota, March 20, 1918; Massachusetts, April 2, 1918; Arizona, May 24, 1918; Georgia, June 26, 1918; Louisiana, August 3, 1918; Florida, December 3, 1918; Michigan, January 2, 1919; Ohio, January 7, 1919; Oklahoma, January 7, 1919; Idaho, January 8, 1919; Maine, January 8, 1919; West Virginia, January 9, 1919; California, January 13, 1919; Tennessee, January 13, 1919; Washington, January 13, 1919; Arkansas, January 14, 1919; Kansas, January 14, 1919; Alabama, January 15, 1919; Colorado, January 15, 1919; Iowa, January 15, 1919; New Hampshire, January 15, 1919; Oregon, January 15, 1919; Nebraska, January 16, 1919; North Carolina, January 16, 1919; Utah, January 16, 1919; Missouri, January 16, 1919; Wyoming, January 16, 1919.

Ratification was completed on January 16, 1919. See Dillon v. Gloss, 256 U.S. 368, 376 (1921).

The amendment was subsequently ratified by Minnesota on January 17, 1919; Wisconsin, January 17, 1919; New Mexico, January 20, 1919; Nevada, January 21, 1919; New York, January 29, 1919; Vermont, January 29, 1919; Pennsylvania, February 25, 1919; Connecticut, May 6, 1919; and New Jersey, March 9, 1922.

The amendment was rejected (and not subsequently ratified) by Rhode Island.

 

Are there any record of any Baptists that specifically denounced the comsumption of alcohol (not drunkedness) prior to prohibition? I have always heard that even Baptists used wine in the observation of the Lord's Supper prior to prohibition, and that prohibitionists were the driving force behind the current attitudes of abstinence.