Reconciling Two

[Van]

I'm not God. He needs not to 'learn', He predestines according to His will/wants.

John 1:12-13 KJV
But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: [13] Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Once again, "B" is substituted for "A." After a person believes (received Him), then God gave that person the power to become physical children of God. How was that "power" bestowed? The person was spiritually born anew as a spiritual child of God. And that rebirth was done according to God's determinate will.

But that is not what is being discussed.

Wanting, preferring, desiring something to happen is not the same as causing something to happen.

 

[Blank]

Wanting, preferring, desiring something to happen is not the same as causing something to happen.

What does God want that doesn’t come to pass?

 

[Van]

What does God want that doesn’t come to pass?

Once again, we see obfuscation. Did Blank say God cannot desire an outcome, such as begging a person to be reconciled, yet allow the people to choose for themselves whether to put their faith in Christ? Blank took no position.

On and on the shuck and jive, but never acknowledge the truth from scripture, that many seek to enter by the narrow door that leads to eternal life, but do not find it. The concept that God allows humans to seek God and trust in Christ is never acknowledged. Does any Calvinist?

 

[DaveXR650]

There has never been a moment where the Godhead among themselves ever had to do a conference call and state to themselves" Wow, never saw the Fall, the Flood, the Cross etc happening as it did"

You are right. And if you look deep enough it is also true that there can be actual free will in operation and yet not only can things like the Fall be foreknown to the Godhead, but it can be ordained and even "necessary" that it happen - and yet with no violation of the free will of the creatures involved. Most people won't accept the arguments for this and unfortunately, will not even look into it enough to know what I'm talking about. So they either deny God's ability to foreordain things or they say he directly causes everything and don't dare question it.

 

[Blank]

On and on the shuck and jive, but never acknowledge the truth from scripture, that many seek to enter by the narrow door that leads to eternal life, but do not find it.

Romans 8:29-30 KJV
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. [30] Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Matthew 22:14 KJV
For many are called, but few are chosen
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Perhaps you don't believe in effectual calling?

 

[Blank]

Did Blank say God cannot desire an outcome, such as begging a person to be reconciled, yet allow the people to choose for themselves whether to put their faith in Christ?

What I gave you was
John 1:13 (KJV) Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

 

[Van]

What I gave you was
John 1:13 (KJV) Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Again Blank took no position.

The concept that God allows humans to seek God and trust in Christ is never acknowledged. Does any Calvinist?

 

[Blank]

Again Blank took no position.

The concept that God allows humans to seek God and trust in Christ is never acknowledged. Does any Calvinist?

I took a position and backed it up with God's Word, Just because you reject my take, doesn't mean I have no position.

Romans 3:9-11 KJV
What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; [10] As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: [11] There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

I'd rather go with God's Word than the logic of man.

 

[Van]

I took a position and backed it up with God's Word, Just because you reject my take, doesn't mean I have no position.

Romans 3:9-11 KJV
What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin; [10] As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: [11] There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

I'd rather go with God's Word than the logic of man.

Right, since many seek to enter by the narrow door, there are none that seek God all the time, or when they are sinning, but many do seek God some of the time. I'd rather go with God's word than the fiction of Calvinism.

 

[Brightfame52]

Right, since many seek to enter by the narrow door, there are none that seek God all the time, or when they are sinning, but many do seek God some of the time. I'd rather go with God's word than the fiction of Calvinism.

None seek the True God except the quickened/made alive ones and God caused their seeking after Him Rom 1020

But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.

 

[Van]

Right, since many seek to enter by the narrow door, there are none that seek God all the time, or when they are sinning, but many do seek God some of the time. I'd rather go with God's word than the fiction of Calvinism. And since God's word says they sought eternal life, to claim they really did not seek "the true eternal life" is a denial of scripture.

 

[JesusFan]

Right, since many seek to enter by the narrow door, there are none that seek God all the time, or when they are sinning, but many do seek God some of the time. I'd rather go with God's word than the fiction of Calvinism. And since God's word says they sought eternal life, to claim they really did not seek "the true eternal life" is a denial of scripture.

So peter and Isaiah inspired by the Holy Spirit were both wrong on this?

 

[Brightfame52]

Right, since many seek to enter by the narrow door, there are none that seek God all the time, or when they are sinning, but many do seek God some of the time. I'd rather go with God's word than the fiction of Calvinism. And since God's word says they sought eternal life, to claim they really did not seek "the true eternal life" is a denial of scripture.

If man seeks God, then He is already saved, regenerated. Lost people dont seek God Rom 3:11

11 There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

 

[Scarlett O.]

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