Red and Blue America Agree That Now Is the Time to Violate the Constitution

[KenH]

Could be the start though of the "winter flareup"

I wouldn’t doubt that COVID-19 flares up to some extent every winter, just as colds and flu do. It is something we will have to factor into the risks we accept in day-to-day living.

 

[Gold Dragon]

That is quite the characterization. Your lack of American nationality is an important factor in any debate about the rights and freedoms we, in America, have and hold. In fact we question whether you as a non-American can appreciate what we have since you do not have any skin in the game. It's easy to sit in the cheap seats, as a non-American, and decide that rights are not absolute and then work to apply that to whatever it is you do not personally like about America. You are going to find the vast majority of Americans will not tolerate your claims. You may not like that we find your personal opinions on our American rights not credible, but we do not care.

Read the article in the OP. This is not an American issue. Every country has covid 19 and every country will be dealing with these issues.

And maybe you are unfamiliar with how civil debates work but they are a sharing of different ideas from different viewpoints so that all can be considered. It is a pillar of what makes great free societies like the United States. But it sounds like censorship of different ideas that are “dangerous” to your political positions is much more your type of society.

 

[Gold Dragon]

I don’t know. There are already doom-and-gloomers saying that “life will never go back to normal.” They may try to convince government that we can never, ever again allow people to assemble in large crowds. There are lots of people who love the power to tell everyone else what they can or can’t do.

If assembly in large crowds causes thousands of people to die, is that person trying to exert power or performing their civic duty?

 

[KenH]

If assembly in large crowds causes thousands of people to die, is that person trying to exert power or performing their civic duty?

What do you want? To keep everything in lock down for 12-18 months until a vaccine is available(as if the economy would last that long under lock down). What if a successful vaccine never arrives? What then? Just stay in lock down until half the population dies of starvation and associated maladies while the other half spends their lives and the lives of the next several generations foraging for survival?

 

[Gold Dragon]

What do you want? To keep everything in lock down for 12-18 months until a vaccine is available(as if the economy would last that long under lock down). What if a successful vaccine never arrives? What then? Just stay in lock down until half the population dies of starvation and associated maladies while the other half spends their lives and the lives of the next several generations foraging for survival?

If you look around the world “lockdown” comes in many forms, none of which include large public gatherings. But most of them do involve shopping and even a majority of the economy still working.

Most current government plans have what we are currently experiencing as a “hard” lockdown to control the initial wave of infections from Covid19 that is meant to be short. But then the lockdown is relaxed in “pulses” if you may where large sections of the economy can get back to work but maintaining some social distancing measures where possible matched with aggressive testing and isolation of individual cases and contact tracing, old tried and true public health measures that work when case numbers are low.

You can then be vigilant with more localized hard lockdowns to control smaller outbreaks if your testing ability is adequate enough to indicate things are getting out of control.

Coronavirus: The Hammer and the Dance

Tomas Pueyo’s Hammer and the Dance outline this strategy well. You can see many south East Asian countries are already in this dance phase of the outbreak and most of their economies are back up and running for the most part, or they have never stopped because they kept case numbers low to begin with using good social distancing and hygiene practices from the start.

 

[Revmitchell]

Read the article in the OP. This is not an American issue. Every country has covid 19 and every country will be dealing with these issues.

And maybe you are unfamiliar with how civil debates work but they are a sharing of different ideas from different viewpoints so that all can be considered. It is a pillar of what makes great free societies like the United States. But it sounds like censorship of different ideas that are “dangerous” to your political positions is much more your type of society.

Umm How many other countries are dealing with this is not relevant to what Americans should do. We have a different form of government and in most cases different values. Someone else telling Americans what we should do is not going to happen.

As far as tour feigned censorship claim.....good luck with that.

 

[Gold Dragon]

We have a different form of government and in most cases different values.

All civil societies have laws and constitutions that can be adapted to fit the current needs of the people through the legislative branch of government. Almost all the countries we are talking about have civil liberties written into their laws in one form of another relating to speech protections, religious practice, rights to a trial before incarceration, rights to own weapons, etc.

All those countries including the United States have limits to all of those rights of situations where those individual civil liberties do not apply, usually because they infringe upon the rights and liberties of others or the safety of the society as a whole.

As pandemics become more common, all civil societies in the world will need to grapple with regular situations where our rights may come secondary to the safety and survival of the society in practice and even in the eyes of the law. As the article in the OP states, we need to be very cautious treading down this path because of how easily those liberties can be lost for good.

This is a very important topic for discussion. I respectfully ask you to stop derailing this topic with the irrelevant fact that I am not an American.

 

[Revmitchell]

I wouldn’t doubt that COVID-19 flares up to some extent every winter, just as colds and flu do. It is something we will have to factor into the risks we accept in day-to-day living.

Dr. Fauci said it will be an on going seasonal thing.

 

[Reynolds]

This seems to be a sent up fpr something bigger coming down the pike! Will we even ab able to have the election in Novemer, if not what?

We will have the election.

 

[Use of Time]

You are not an American, you do not have any skin in this game, your opinion is nothing more than lefty talking points.

It’s like you are talking to him to like he’s less of a human being or something because he’s from Australia. Who died and made you gatekeeper of this board. Is that how you would great a foreign visitor to your church there pastor?

 

[Use of Time]

That is quite the characterization. Your lack of American nationality is an important factor in any debate about the rights and freedoms we, in America, have and hold. In fact we question whether you as a non-American can appreciate what we have since you do not have any skin in the game. It's easy to sit in the cheap seats, as a non-American, and decide that rights are not absolute and then work to apply that to whatever it is you do not personally like about America. You are going to find the vast majority of Americans will not tolerate your claims. You may not like that we find your personal opinions on our American rights not credible, but we do not care.

Good grief get over yourself. It’s a conversation on the baptist board. Pretty low stakes conversations we have around here. And take the we out of your voice, you don’t speak for everyone. Acting like you single handedly built this country or something. The only thing you’ve accomplished is being birthed on this soil.

 

[Use of Time]

Umm How many other countries are dealing with this is not relevant to what Americans should do.

Wow. Why don’t you go grab your star spangled blanket and take a nap there Captain America. This is supremely ignorant.

 

[just-want-peace]

November is 7 months from now. The Lord willing, we’ll be past this panic phase by then.

I would add: "The Lord willing, the rapture will be a past event by then"!!!

 

[xlsdraw]

Scientific prognostications are only as valid as the absence of prayer. When the children of God, utilize the most powerful weapon available to them, fervent prayer, miraculous things happen.

 

[KenH]

I would add: "The Lord willing, the rapture will be a past event by then"!!!

As an amillennialist I would add: “The Lord willing, Christ Jesus getting rid of this present heavens and earth and replacing it with the new heavens and earth will be a past event by then.”