Red Cross to bring tens of thousands of Hatians to US

[rbell]

http://www.wftv.com/news/22242754/detail.html

I'm not keen on this at all.

First...are there any guarantees that everyone that comes here is doing so legally? (rhetorical...of course the answer is no)

Second...are we going to start bringing victims from every natural disaster to here?

Third...is there anyone who seriously thinks that these refugees will ever return to Haiti? Let's face it...they are about to become permanently affixed to the government dole.

Look...I'm for helping them. I've given through the Southern Baptists to do so. Let's move heaven and earth to get them aid there in Haiti.

And I saw an article about kids who are waiting for the final approval to be adopted by US families. There are others there with US citizenships. I have no problem "fast-tracking" those instances.

But this doesn't sound to good...I'm afraid we're about to permanently become mother, nurse, guardian, and chaperone to tens of thousands of folks who aren't coming here through legitimate channels.

 

[Johnv]

Red Cross to bring tens of thousands of Hatians to US

And the problem is???

 

[rbell]

Red Cross to bring tens of thousands of Hatians to US

And the problem is???

Do we have an "exit strategy," or are we going to bring tens of thousands of non-resident, non-citizens over here, let them go, and hope for the best?

Is there going to be any criteria used to decide who comes, and who doesn't?

Have all other options been explored with regards to helping the Hatians...in Haiti?

I explained that there are some that I have no issue with coming. But considering how our government tends to approach immigration, I'm not at all comfortable with bringing in forty thousand refugees, letting them go, and hoping there isn't a problem.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

RBell articulated his concerns quite well. It's just more of your arrogant "I am better than you" attitude. You didn't address a single point he made. Instead, you put a smarmy one liner up. Typical, though.

 

[Revmitchell]

Already there have been 12 plane loads flown into Orlando

 

[Johnv]

RBell articulated his concerns quite well. It's just more of your arrogant "I am better than you" attitude. You didn't address a single point he made. Instead, you put a smarmy one liner up. Typical, though.

Wow, who spit in your cheerios this morning?

But hey, if we want to go down the list:

To the concern about guarantees that everyone that comes here is doing so legally, the federal government has granted immigration status to Haitians wishing to enter the US, so they would be legal defacto.

To the concern about whether we are going to start bringing victims from every natural disaster to here, that's most definitely one of the times we should be allowing people to immigrate.

To the concern that these refugees will ever return to Haiti, if they want to stay, let them apply for permament residency and stay. I fail to see the problem here.

 

[just-want-peace]

Wow, who spit in your cheerios this morning?

But hey, if we want to go down the list:

To the concern about guarantees that everyone that comes here is doing so legally, the federal government has granted immigration status to Haitians wishing to enter the US, so they would be legal defacto.

To the concern about whether we are going to start bringing victims from every natural disaster to here, that's most definitely one of the times we should be allowing people to immigrate.

To the concern that these refugees will ever return to Haiti, if they want to stay, let them apply for permament residency and stay. I fail to see the problem here.

At the risk of sounding patronizing (??) , why, then, didn't you simply address the OP initially as such, rather than display such a cavalier attitude toward your "lessers" ???

Whether Bro Curtis is correct or not I can't say, but based on this response I'm tempted to agree.

'Course, before you state it, I am well aware that you DON"T care, so save your breath - figuratively speaking of course:laugh:!

 

[Revmitchell]

RBell articulated his concerns quite well. It's just more of your arrogant "I am better than you" attitude. You didn't address a single point he made. Instead, you put a smarmy one liner up. Typical, though.

+1..........

 

[Revmitchell]

At the risk of sounding patronizing (??) , why, then, didn't you simply address the OP initially as such, rather than display such a cavalier attitude toward your "lessers" ???

Whether Bro Curtis is correct or not I can't say, but based on this response I'm tempted to agree.

'Course, before you state it, I am well aware that you DON"T care, so save your breath - figuratively speaking of course:laugh:!

+1..........

 

[Johnv]

At the risk of sounding patronizing (??) , why, then, didn't you simply address the OP initially as such, rather than display such a cavalier attitude toward your "lessers" ???

Because I can't believe this is even an issue. When did legal immigration become something conservatives are categorically supposed to oppose? Illegal immigration, yes. But legal immigration??

 

[donnA]

Tens of thousands of people, who are for the most part are uneducated and illiterate, meaning they're going to live on governement monies, forever.
When life gets hard just run away, is that right?

 

[Bob Alkire]

Because I can't believe this is even an issue. When did legal immigration become something conservatives are categorically supposed to oppose? Illegal immigration, yes. But legal immigration??

Not saying anyone should be for or oppose to anything. Ask some of the folks in Miami how they fell about it. Read the Miami papers and get a feel on how they feel about it. If I wanted to know how the people in LA felt about it, I would read their papers. Check to see where cargo insurance is higher, things like that can and will tell us a lot. All of this will tell one how some feel.

 

[Johnv]

Tens of thousands of people, who are for the most part are uneducated and illiterate, meaning they're going to live on governement monies, forever.

Two problems there. First, you're punishing them for somethign they haven't done yet. Second, your gripe there is with public assistance, which is a separate issue. I share that concern, but it's an issue separate from immigration.

Liberals are typically incapable of distinguishign between legal and illegal immigration. We should not make that same mistake.

 

[just-want-peace]

Liberals are typically incapable of distinguishign between legal and illegal immigration. We should not make that same mistake.

Good point!

But just remember that "legal/illegal" are man-made terms, and have to be balanced with some common sense.

In this instance granting immediate "legality" of status is no different than granting all the present illegals immediate "legal" status; which almost happened!

There has to be more considered that the simple legality of an issue. Congress could make murder legal (oops, it's already legal for women - if they so choose) if you didn't like the way your neighbor said "Good Morning", but that sure wouldn't mean it was the right thing to do!

(Incidentally, been a few years, but I wonder how Elian is doing w/Dad back in Cuba????????) -- just a point of "legal" vs "illegal" in perspective; & how it was decided/handled!

 

[rbell]

Because I can't believe this is even an issue. When did legal immigration become something conservatives are categorically supposed to oppose? Illegal immigration, yes. But legal immigration??

In the article, reference is made to the following:

The Red Cross is preparing for two things: the repatriation of Americans living in Haiti and the possibility of a mass migration of Haitian nationals.

If they follow the law, that's one thing. But we've seen with our government (under several administations, both D and R) a propensity to be "sloppy" with regards to immigration procedures and controls.

I'm just saying, do it legal, and don't bring thousands of undocumented Haitians to the US, turn them loose with no strings attached...that's a recipe for permanent support of those individuals at the least; significant trouble at the worst.

 

[Steven2006]

My heart breaks for these people and bringing orphans and homeless here under these circumstances doesn't bother me. There is a lot of waste and misuse in this country to be outraged about this doesn't fall into that category IMHO.

Actually the verse that came to mind when reading this thread was this one.

Luke 10:37 And he said, "The one who showed mercy toward him." Then Jesus said to him, "Go and do the same."

 

[Johnv]

I'm just saying, do it legal, and don't bring thousands of undocumented Haitians to the US, turn them loose with no strings attached...

I think we're in agreement there.

 

[carpro]

Red Cross to bring tens of thousands of Hatians to US

And the problem is???

Dumb question.

Try reading the OP.

 

[donnA]

We have a lot of people in this country going without, many have no real housing, no real heat, and not nearly enough water. When are we going to take care of our own people? You say we have an abundence, and we do, but we still have children in this country who eat today because they went to school. Parents with no education, no job training, and no jobs available, many live in rural areas with no transportation. You haven't got ant real idea the way some people have to live in our country of abundance, if you want to help help some of our own who are hungry and helpless. Once you've helped them and this no longer exists in our country, then you can all you want to other countries. But don't negelect our own children here.

 

[rbell]

There was a news story the other day that was heartbreaking.

A young Hatian child was to be adopted by a US family. (They didn't outright say it...but it sounded like a Christian organization)

In a matter of days, the Hatian authorities were going to approve this...all the hoops were jumped through; it was pretty much a formality.

Now, there is no authority to approve it, and everything's on hold.


I have no problem with our authorities helping make stuff like this happen...especially since the kid was about to become an American resident legally anyway. My heart broke for the kid, and for his adoptive parents-to-be.