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Red Lake, MN shooting a result of evolutionary thinking?

Alcott

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So I speculate that the end of mankind will come in a nuclear holocast, and at that time we will have the second coming of Christ. It would also be an ideal time to have the "rapture" take place.
And if your view is that the earth is billions of years old, and that man evolved from 'lower' forms of life, and thus "day" could be many millions of years-- might the "Day of the Lord" be many millions of years? And Judgment Day be many millions of years?

Anyway, the earth has gone through glaciations, as well as destructive volcanoes and meteorites, which are much more powerful than the nuclear bombs we could detonate, and yet the planet and its life still survived. This recent DNA tracing effort by the NGS included in an article that there may have been 'only a few thousand' humans left after the last "supervolcano" eruption about 70,000 years ago. If there should be survivors after any "nuclear holocaust," while the rest are raptured or destroyed, would they be really humans in the biblical sense of God-breathed and in His image? Or would they be something less than that, like these supposed ancestors living 70,000 years ago and much longer ago?

That brings another question to mind... were humans before "civilization" began around Mesopotamia humans in the God-breathed sense? How about Neanderthals? Java man? the ape men (as David Attenborough called them)?...
 
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Travelsong

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I believe the first being created in the image of God and called man was the first whom God imbued with a soul. Hence, our soul or spirit constitues the image we share with God. It's what makes us unique from everything else.
 

TC

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I do not know if the shooting was a result teaching evolution, but I do know that it was a result of sin. Seems to me that murder happened long before the theory of evolution was formulated in the latter half of the 1800's.
 

Alcott

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Originally posted by Travelsong:
I believe the first being created in the image of God and called man was the first whom God imbued with a soul. Hence, our soul or spirit constitues the image we share with God. It's what makes us unique from everything else.
That shifts the question to: Who has/had souls? Java man? Neanderthals? "ape men"? the parents of the "first whom God imbued with a soul"? Paleoindians? European cavepainters?
 
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Travelsong

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We are moral beings. What greater difference can you find between men and the rest of creation? If the soul is the moral agent I don't believe it's too difficult to determine who has/had one.
 

Paul of Eugene

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Originally posted by Alcott:
That brings another question to mind... were humans before "civilization" began around Mesopotamia humans in the God-breathed sense? How about Neanderthals? Java man? the ape men (as David Attenborough called them)?... [/QB]
A most excellent question and I sure wish I knew how to answer it.

How would you judge the "humanity" of a candidate for humanity? Would any of these be reason to consider them human?

- The ability to control fire for cooking and heating

- The ability to draw pictures on the wall of one's cave

- The ability to sow crops and harvest them year by year

- The ability to fashion tools for hunting prey and otherwise altering the environment

- The ability to domestic another species for one's own food or other benefit
 

Gup20

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I do not know if the shooting was a result teaching evolution, but I do know that it was a result of sin. Seems to me that murder happened long before the theory of evolution was formulated in the latter half of the 1800's.
Indeed murder did happen. But we want to see the cause of THIS murder, not all murder. The young man in question was into nazism, which is founded on the principles described by darwinism - that races are superior to other races... and only the strong races survive. It removes the creator and therefore purpose... and therefore hope. Humanism is hopelessness.
 

UTEOTW

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Gup

You keep repeating that.

Can you at least respond to my criticism of your claims in this post if you are going to keep posting the same thing?

http://www.baptistboard.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php/topic/66/52.html#000007

Originally posted by UTEOTW:
This argument, like everything else in YE, is built upon a false premise.

Quoting from Mein Kampf.

"Human culture and civilization on this continent are inseparably bound up with the presence of the Aryan. If he dies out or declines, the dark veils of an age without culture will again descend on this globe. The undermining of the existence of human culture by the destruction of its bearer seems in the eyes of a folkish philosophy the most execrable crime. Anyone who dares to lay hands on the highest image of the Lord commits sacrilege against the benevolent Creator of this miracle and contributes to the expulsion from paradise."

"What we must fight for is to safeguard the existence and reproductionof our race and our people, the sustenance of our children and the purityof our blood, the freedom and independence of the fatherland, so that ourpeople may mature for the fulfillment of the mission allotted it by the Creator of the universe."

"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."

"The folkish-minded man, in particular has the sacred duty, each in his own denomination, of making people stop just talking superficially of God's will, and actually fulfill God's will, and not let God's word be desecrated. For God's will gave men their form, their essence and their abilities. Anyone who destroys His work is declaring war on the Lord's creation, the divine will."

"Then, from the child's story-book to the last newspaper in the country, and every theatre and cinema, every pillar where placards are posted and every free space on the hoardings should be utilized in the service of this one great mission, until the faint-hearted cry, "Lord, deliver us," which our patriotic associations send up to Heaven to-day would be transformed into an ardent prayer: 'Almighty God, bless our arms when the hour comes. ' "

So are you advocating that we should all give up our beliefs because Hitler was a creationists? You did try and advocate that we should consider evolution evil because of your false assertion of its association with the Nazis!

How pathetic it is that YE is such an unsupportable idea on the facts that YEers must resort to such tactics as mounting a slander campaign based on a false premise. Can YE not stand on the observations? Does it really need to resort to such?
 

Paul of Eugene

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Originally posted by Alcott:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />So I speculate that the end of mankind will come in a nuclear holocast, and at that time we will have the second coming of Christ. It would also be an ideal time to have the "rapture" take place.
And if your view is that the earth is billions of years old, and that man evolved from 'lower' forms of life, and thus "day" could be many millions of years-- might the "Day of the Lord" be many millions of years? And Judgment Day be many millions of years?

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</font>[/QUOTE]If there was a nuclear war and God did not intervene, I would expect a few tattered remnants of mankind to survive in the odd place here and there and barely eke out a living for a while . . . maybe even survive indefinately, but who knows?

But in my fanciful conjecture I see the Lord intervening and ending history at the time of the nuclear holocast and having judgement day at that time.

So how long before that happens do you suppose?
 
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