Redeems those He died for from the Prison of Unbelief !

[Psalty]

It proves the doctrine of Election, a doctrine that some would fight against.

I wonder now if he believes in total predestination?

I assume full point calvinist from what I’ve read of the posts.

Election in the OT didnt mean that Israel was saved from the foundation of the world, but that God had chosen them to be a holy and blameless people before Him. As it turns out, even though God had chosen a people that numbered like the sands of the sea, yet only a remanent were saved that chose to follow Him and His ways. And Gentiles could choose to become part of Israel, the Elect of God, as is seen in the Law, Ruth, and a number of other places.

Election continues to still operate off of these principles in the NT. And Paul reveals that it was always the plan for Christ to come and offer election to all through the New Covenant in His blood. Election is no longer through circumcision or Law Observance. Instead, in the New Covenant, it is through faith in Him, which grants us His chosen-ness in the sight of the Father. All because of Jesus’ work, not of ourselves.

My 2c nutshell on the subject of election.

 

[Brightfame52]

I love scripture enough to be truthful to what it says.

I dont see that

 

[Psalty]

I dont see that

True, you judge by the theological system of Calvin.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

True, you judge by the theological system of Calvin.

There is that word again… “CALVINISM!” But what’s that mean? How’s that accusation being used? Or are you identifying Systematic Theology and substituting CALVINISM in order to discredit?

Your suggestion disquiets me… I then also hold to Systematic Theology for different reasons. Further I believe strongly that there are some who are naturally preeminent and those born to be obscure. This thought process is not born from Calvinism .. it’s born of desire to be successfull.

So what produces a predominant nature? It is earned by sweat by blood and self denial and superior intelligence and sometimes by superior villainy. It has nothing to do with religion. And Empires are built on it. Didn’t Paul build Christianity on it?

 

[Brightfame52]

True, you judge by the theological system of Calvin.

Thats what you call it but its the Truth of scripture you scoff

 

[Psalty]

Thats what you call it but its the Truth of scripture you scoff

And here you reveal that you think a systematic and the Word are the same!

 

[Psalty]

There is that word again… “CALVINISM!” But what’s that mean? How’s that accusation being used? Or are you identifying Systematic Theology and substituting CALVINISM in order to discredit?

Your suggestion disquiets me… I then also hold to Systematic Theology for different reasons. Further I believe strongly that there are some who are naturally preeminent and those born to be obscure. This thought process is not born from Calvinism .. it’s born of desire to be successfull.

So what produces a predominant nature? It is earned by sweat by blood and self denial and superior intelligence and sometimes by superior villainy. It has nothing to do with religion. And Empires are built on it. Didn’t Paul build Christianity on it?

Too much philosophical stuff for me to go deep here but in general:

Its not what system you know, Its who you know.
Its not about having perfect knowledge, its about have knowledge that you apply that produces good fruit.

And regarding Calvinism, look at the above post on Election to see how far off Calvin was from what scripture teaches. He was miles off target.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Too much philosophical stuff for me to go deep here but in general:

Its not what system you know, Its who you know.
Its not about having perfect knowledge, its about have knowledge that you apply that produces good fruit.

And regarding Calvinism, look at the above post on Election to see how far off Calvin was from what scripture teaches. He was miles off target.

My opinion of Calvin… who’s Calvin? In all Honesty, the guy isn’t of concern to me. He has flaws. Only Jesus fits.

But to say now that you don’t see election in scripture is to deny reality. My advice is in that case… Look again.

Thats what you call it but its the Truth of scripture you scoff

then prove it to him

 

[Psalty]

My opinion of Calvin… who’s Calvin? In all Honesty, the guy isn’t of concern to me. He has flaws. Only Jesus fits.

But to say now that you don’t see election in scripture is to deny reality. My advice is in that case… Look again.

then prove it to him

I do see election in scripture. I start with the OT which immediately disproves Calvin’s systematic interpretation of Election

 

[Brightfame52]

And here you reveal that you think a systematic and the Word are the same!

Again:Thats what you call it but its the Truth of scripture you scoff

 

[Psalty]

Again:Thats what you call it but its the Truth of scripture you scoff

Scoffers are people that cannot consider that they are wrong or off the mark. It is a pride issue.

 

[Brightfame52]

then prove it to him

Wonder if God has sent folk a strong delusion to believe a lie ? 2 Thess 2 10-11

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

Who am I to prove truth to if God has sent them a strong delusion to believe a lie ?

 

[Brightfame52]

Scoffers are people that cannot consider that they are wrong or off the mark. It is a pride issue.

Scoffers are people who call truth a nickname like calvinism and reject it as such

 

[Psalty]

Scoffers are people who call truth a nickname like calvinism and reject it as such

You have no scriptural case you make. You have no answers to OT election. You are unable to engage in dialogue. You dont use reason or scriptures to make your case. You have nothing more than scriptural one liners that any persuasion of Christian would “Amen”. You resort to “I said so” for your primary responses. Who is a scoffer here?

I

 

[Brightfame52]

You have no scriptural case you make.

You just scoff it

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I do see election in scripture. I start with the OT which immediately disproves Calvin’s systematic interpretation of Election

It’s a systematic theology,,probably designed to teach, not to impose… anyway Calvin didn’t invent it, that was others that came after Calvin. My biggest consern with the guy was how he & others handled Servitus..executing him should not have been a high mark of what a Christian is all about.

 

[Psalty]

You just scoff it

Classic BF reply.

You just scoff it

The fact you think you have made a case is shocking.

 

[Silverhair]

It’s a systematic theology,,probably designed to teach, not to impose… anyway Calvin didn’t invent it, that was others that came after Calvin. My biggest consern with the guy was how he & others handled Servitus..executing him should not have been a high mark of what a Christian is all about.

You have to go further back to see the foundations of what is called calvinism. The basis of calvinism is the pagan philosophies that augustine brought into the church in the 4th century.

 

[Brightfame52]

Classic BF reply.

The fact you think you have made a case is shocking.

You scoff at it. I started this thread and your responses have pretty much scoffing and calling it calvinism, no matter what scripture provided.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I seriously don’t have the time, however please see scriptural references to Election.

What Does the Bible Say About Election?

Bible verses about Election

www.openbible.info