Brightfame52
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No you deny it. Since Christ redeemed everyone He died for out of unbelief, then it stands to reason, folk who never become believers in Him, He didnt die for them.
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Redeems those He died for from the Prison of Unbelief !
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Brightfame52
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All whom He redeemed from the prison of unbelief
Silverhair
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BF you have been shown the truth from scripture and you deny that truth.
You then present the false narrative of your man-made religion and wonder why we reject it.
You are following a false gospel BF.
Ascetic X
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How could God say He wants all to be saved, if Jesus did not die for all?
I Timothy 2:3,4
For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
I Timothy 2:3,4
For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
Brightfame52
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You cant believe the truth. Them Christ died for, it redeemed them from the prison of unbelief
Silverhair
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The truth has been presented to you via scripture and you still deny it.
This is who did Christ dies for BF
Joh_3:17 the world
Heb_2:9 every man
1Jn_2:2 the whole world
1Ti_2:5-6 for all
1Ti_4:10 all men
Rom_5:6 the ungodly
Rom_5:8 sinners
2Co_5:14-15 for all
Rom 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Are they all redeemed from your "prison of unbelief"?
If only some are then why only them?
The one with his head in the sand is you BF.
I had decided not to get involved with these fruitless posts on the Cal/Arm forum which go over and over the same ground and never seem to persuade anybody.
However, I do have something to say on 2 Peter 2:1. I shall not get involved in any further discussions on the subject.
2 Peter 2:1. ‘But there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them, and bring on themselves swift judgement.’
This text is certainly a difficult text for those who support the Doctrines of Grace. At first glance, it seems to be saying that people bought by the Lord Jesus Christ may depart from the faith and deny His name, striking at the very heart of the doctrines of Particular Redemption and the Perseverance of the Saints. The commentaries (at least the ones I have read) do not give a great deal of help. They suggest that these teachers merely ‘claim’ to have been bought by Christ and point to verse 22: ‘A dog returns to its vomit….etc’ which indicates that these people were not regenerate. But this does not satisfy the supporters of ‘General Redemption’ who see this verse as a proof text that Christ died for all men, but that only those who believe are saved.
So how shall we answer this? The first part of the answer is to look at the word despotes, translated as ‘Lord’ in the NKJV and as ‘Master’ in other versions. Despotes is mostly used to describe human masters. On the few occasions where it is used of God, it usually speaks of the Father, not the Son. The regular word for ‘Lord,’ when used of the Deity, is Kurios, which has divine overtones, being the word used by the writers of the Greek ‘Septuagint’ translation to render the Divine name, ‘Yahweh.’ The only other place in the N.T. where despotes might refer to Christ is Jude 4, but even here it seems to speak of God the Father. It is also important to observe that whatever this ‘buying’ entailed, there is no mention of the blood of the Lord Jesus as there is in 1 Peter 1:18 or Rev. 5:9.
So if despotes does indeed refer to God the Father, in what way did he ‘buy’ believers? We should first be aware that the verse is looking back to the O.T. period: ‘But there were false prophets among the people…..’ The Israelites were regarded as having been bought or redeemed out of Egypt by God. ‘Until the people pass over, O LORD, until the people pass over whom You have purchased’ (Exod. 15:16). ‘Do you thus deal with the LORD, O foolish and unwise people? Is He not te Father who bought you?’ (Deut. 32:6). God purchased the Israelites with His great power which He exhibited when He brought the plagues upon Egypt. But although all were ‘bought’ in that they all came out of Israel, very few of them ever reached the Promised Land (cf. 1 Cor. 10:1-5).
It is here that we find the great difference between the Old and New Covenants. The Old Covenant was made with all the Israelites and was conditional; only a small number of those were saved (Exod. 33:19; Isaiah 1:9). The New Covenant by contrast, was made with believers of every language and nation. These are Christ’s sheep and are bought with the blood of the Good Shepherd. They will come to Him and they shall never perish (John 10:27-28). The Old Covenant was conditional; the New is unconditional (compare Exod. 19:5-6 with 1 Peter 2:9-10).
This contrast is made especially clear in the famous ‘New Covenant’ prophecy of Jeremiah 31:31, repeated by the writer to the Hebrews:
‘Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah- not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord. For this is the covenant that I shall make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put their laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I shall be their God and they shall be My people. None of them shall teach his neighbour, and none his brother, saying, “Know the Lord,” for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them. For I shall be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more’ (Heb. 8:8-12).
So we can clearly see that the false teachers of 2 Peter 2:1 were not Christians, since their ‘swift destruction’ proves that they were not in the New Covenant. Their allegiance to Christ was shown to be fleeting and insincere; they were never His sheep, and one day they would hear the dread words of the One they had professed to know but actually scorned, saying, “I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practise lawlessness’ (Matt. 7:23).
Brightfame52
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Yes, they are the elect. Only the non elect are left in unbelief
The elect are only a remnant according to grace Rom 11
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.