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reflection on 2 Thess.2:7-8

robycop3

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2 Thess.2:7 For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming.

For a long time, I've believed that "he" is the Holy Spirit, but the more I've thought about it lately, I'm believing "he" could be the Church.
Why?
Because the Holy Spirit is God, and He cannot be taken out of the way. But the Church shall be raptured & thus take out of the way to oppose the mark of the beast, etc. We know now there's much opposition to such a mark, even among the unsaved. Some people won't use cryptocurrency, internet monetary transactions, or even credit/debit cards, believing them to be forerunners of the mark, & some won't even have an implanted cardiac pacemaker for the same reason. And in just about every place of employment where it's offered, employees have consistently refused to have a chip implanted they could use to open doors inside the bldg, etc.

And the power of God IS in the Church, so if it's gone, that part of His power won't be here, either. And as I think about, it, as there's only one way for salvation, and the newly-saved soon receive the Holy Spirit, He must remain here to indwell the trib saints.

Other Readers, what are YOUR thoughts on this? Even as I type this, I am praying for an answer, so when I teach eschatology, I won't tell anyone wrong. Please pray for an answer before you post!
 

canadyjd

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2 Thess.2:7 For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming.

For a long time, I've believed that "he" is the Holy Spirit, but the more I've thought about it lately, I'm believing "he" could be the Church.
Why?
Because the Holy Spirit is God, and He cannot be taken out of the way. But the Church shall be raptured & thus take out of the way to oppose the mark of the beast, etc. We know now there's much opposition to such a mark, even among the unsaved. Some people won't use cryptocurrency, internet monetary transactions, or even credit/debit cards, believing them to be forerunners of the mark, & some won't even have an implanted cardiac pacemaker for the same reason. And in just about every place of employment where it's offered, employees have consistently refused to have a chip implanted they could use to open doors inside the bldg, etc.

And the power of God IS in the Church, so if it's gone, that part of His power won't be here, either. And as I think about, it, as there's only one way for salvation, and the newly-saved soon receive the Holy Spirit, He must remain here to indwell the trib saints.

Other Readers, what are YOUR thoughts on this? Even as I type this, I am praying for an answer, so when I teach eschatology, I won't tell anyone wrong. Please pray for an answer before you post!
The church is the “bride of Christ”. If referred to wouldn’t “she” be more appropriate than “he”?

Go’s Holy Spirit best fits the passage, imo.

peace to you
 

robycop3

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The church is the “bride of Christ”. If referred to wouldn’t “she” be more appropriate than “he”?

Go’s Holy Spirit best fits the passage, imo.

peace to you
The Holy Spirit can't be removed; He comes & goes as He chooses.
 

rockytopva

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I believe that Passage refers to the coming of the Antichrist whose spirit was in the world even back then...

For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. - 2 Thessalonians 2:7
 

robycop3

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I believe that Passage refers to the coming of the Antichrist whose spirit was in the world even back then...

For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. - 2 Thessalonians 2:7
Yes, it does. While the spirit of antichrist has been here ever since Christ was, "THE" antichrist, the most-evil man of all, hasn't yet been made manifest.

Some of why I use the KJV very-little is many people are confused by the now-archaic use of "let" in that passage. We don't talk that way any more.
 

Revmitchell

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It is a reference to the HG but here is the thing. So long as indwelt believers ( the church) then so does the HG. Can’t have the church without Him. So if the HG must first be removed so must the church.
 

37818

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The church will not be removed until Christ's second appearing, Thesseloians 4:17, ". . . so shall we ever be with the Lord. . . ."
 

robycop3

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It is a reference to the HG but here is the thing. So long as indwelt believers ( the church) then so does the HG. Can’t have the church without Him. So if the HG must first be removed so must the church.
The Holy Spirit (Not "ghost") can't be removed. He comes & goes as He chooses. Yahweh might ask Him to step aside, but He would remove Himself. But as you said, long as there are believers here, He shall be here also. But once the Church is raptured, He won't hold back the beast/antichrist any more.
 

robycop3

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The church will not be removed until Christ's second appearing, Thesseloians 4:17, ". . . so shall we ever be with the Lord. . . ."
The rapture is not jesus' 2nd coming. He will call the saints to Him, not Him come to them.
 

Revmitchell

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The Holy Spirit (Not "ghost") can't be removed. He comes & goes as He chooses. Yahweh might ask Him to step aside, but He would remove Himself. But as you said, long as there are believers here, He shall be here also. But once the Church is raptured, He won't hold back the beast/antichrist any more.

The coming and going of the HG as He pleases has nothing to do with it. You’re reading too much into that. He can’t be a reference to the church.
 

37818

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QUOTE="robycop3, post: 2732096, member: 5296"]Jesus will call the dead saints first, with the ones still living to follow immediately.[/QUOTE]Yes. Revelation 20:4-6.
 
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